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"noble" Bob Dylan talks Shakespeare
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marco
2016-12-12 21:30:23 UTC
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Dylan said when Shakespeare wrote "Hamlet," he probably was thinking
about which actors to pick and where to find a skull.

"I'm sure the farthest thing from Shakespeare's mind was: 'Is this literature?'"



Bob Dylan - Banquet Speech:

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2016/dylan-speech.html



http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/12/11/bob-dylan-expresses-awe-over-nobel-prize-alludes-to-shakespeare.html


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/12/11/bob-dylan-is-sorry-he-didnt-show-up-to-accept-the-nobel-prize/?utm_term=.dd6263a6485b

marc
Arthur Neuendorffer
2016-12-13 16:07:51 UTC
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Sung to the tune of "Like a Rolling Stone":
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Then hear me, gracious sovereign, and you peers,
That owe yourselves, your lives and services
To this imperial throne. There is no bar
To make against your highness' claim to France
But this, which they produce from Pharamond,
'In terram Salicam mulieres ne succedant:'
'No woman shall succeed in Salique land:'
Which Salique land the French unjustly gloze
To be the realm of France, and Pharamond
The founder of this law and female bar.
Yet their own authors faithfully affirm
That the land Salique is in Germany,
Between the floods of Sala and of Elbe;
Where Charles the Great, having subdued the Saxons,
There left behind and settled certain French;
Who, holding in disdain the German women
For some dishonest manners of their life,
Establish'd then this law; to wit, no female
Should be inheritrix in Salique land:
Which Salique, as I said, 'twixt Elbe and Sala,
Is at this day in Germany call'd Meisen.
Then doth it well appear that Salique law
Was not devised for the realm of France:
Nor did the French possess the Salique land
Until four hundred one and twenty years
After defunction of King Pharamond,
Idly supposed the founder of this law;
Who died within the year of our redemption
Four hundred twenty-six; and Charles the Great
Subdued the Saxons, and did seat the French
Beyond the river Sala, in the year
Eight hundred five. Besides, their writers say,
King Pepin, which deposed Childeric,
Did, as heir general, being descended
Of Blithild, which was daughter to King Clothair,
Make claim and title to the crown of France.
Hugh Capet also, who usurped the crown
Of Charles the duke of Lorraine, sole heir male
Of the true line and stock of Charles the Great,
To find his title with some shows of truth,
'Through, in pure truth, it was corrupt and naught,
Convey'd himself as heir to the Lady Lingare,
Daughter to Charlemain, who was the son
To Lewis the emperor, and Lewis the son
Of Charles the Great. Also King Lewis the Tenth,
Who was sole heir to the usurper Capet,
Could not keep quiet in his conscience,
Wearing the crown of France, till satisfied
That fair Queen Isabel, his grandmother,
Was lineal of the Lady Ermengare,
Daughter to Charles the foresaid duke of Lorraine:
By the which marriage the line of Charles the Great
Was re-united to the crown of France.
So that, as clear as is the summer's sun.
King Pepin's title and Hugh Capet's claim,
King Lewis his satisfaction, all appear
To hold in right and title of the female:
So do the kings of France unto this day;
Howbeit they would hold up this Salique law
To bar your highness claiming from the female,
And rather choose to hide them in a net
Than amply to imbar their crooked titles
Usurp'd from you and your progenitors.
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Art Neuendorffer
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2016-12-14 13:20:04 UTC
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Post by marco
Dylan said when Shakespeare wrote "Hamlet," he probably was thinking
about which actors to pick and where to find a skull.
"I'm sure the farthest thing from Shakespeare's mind was: 'Is this literature?'"
marc
When Hamlet was first performed the great comic Tarlton had just died and the skull monologue was really about him. The likely source of the skull would have been a criminal man, who had hung and been left to rot. Executions where very common and what was left over was sold off. Even the rope to hang people. Hence the phrase "money for old rope".
Since it was a play as they all were, "literature" was never on Shakespeare's mind.
marco
2016-12-14 17:26:23 UTC
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As reported by The A.V. Club, Bob Dylan’s Nobel Prize speech made reference to the worldwide impact of “giants of literature” such as Ernest Hemingway and Albert Camus, both authors honored by Dylan as personal literary influences as well as previous recipients of the highly-regarded Nobel Prize in Literature. The complete text of Bob Dylan’s banquet speech from Saturday is now available to read on the Nobel Prize official website.


http://www.inquisitr.com/3787924/bob-dylan-nobel-prize-speech-invokes-shakespeare-hemingway/

marc
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2016-12-21 19:11:32 UTC
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Post by marco
As reported by The A.V. Club, Bob Dylan’s Nobel Prize speech made reference to the worldwide impact of “giants of literature” such as Ernest Hemingway and Albert Camus, both authors honored by Dylan as personal literary influences as well as previous recipients of the highly-regarded Nobel Prize in Literature. The complete text of Bob Dylan’s banquet speech from Saturday is now available to read on the Nobel Prize official website.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3787924/bob-dylan-nobel-prize-speech-invokes-shakespeare-hemingway/
marc
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marco
2016-12-26 18:47:54 UTC
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Post by marco
As reported by The A.V. Club, Bob Dylan’s Nobel Prize speech made reference to the worldwide impact of “giants of literature” such as Ernest Hemingway and Albert Camus, both authors honored by Dylan as personal literary influences as well as previous recipients of the highly-regarded Nobel Prize in Literature. The complete text of Bob Dylan’s banquet speech from Saturday is now available to read on the Nobel Prize official website.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3787924/bob-dylan-nobel-prize-speech-invokes-shakespeare-hemingway/
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