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. This Shadowe is renowned Shakespea{R}'s?
. Soule o[F] th' [A]ge [T]he [A]pplause? delight?
The wonder {O}f the Stage.
. Nature her selfe, was proud of his desi{G}nes
. [A]nd joy'd to weare the dressing of his lines,
. [T]h{E} learned will confess his works as such
. [A]s neithe{R MAN, NOR MUSE} can praise to much
. [F]or *EVER* live thy [FAME], the world to tell,
. Thy like, no age, shall *EVER* paralell
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. <= 41 =>
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. ThisShadoweisrenownedShakespe a {R} sSoule oFth
. AgeTheApplausedelightThewonde r {O} ftheSt ageN
. atureherselfewasproudofhisdes i {G} nesAnd joyd
. towearethedressingofhislinesT h {E} learne dwil
. lconfesshisworksassuchAsneith e {R MANNOR MUSE}
. canpraisetomuchForEVERlivethy F A MEthew orld
. totellThylikenoageshallEVERpa r a lell
.
{ROGER/MANNOR} 41 : Prob. ~ 1 in 2,550
[FATA] 3 : Prob. ~ 1 in 66
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Ben Jonson folio dedication:

These are, as some infamous Baud, or Whore,
{SH|O]uld praise a Matron. What could hurt her more?
But thou a[R]t proofe against them, and indeed
Above th' ill fortune [O]f them, or the need.
I, therefore will begin. Soule of the {A|G]e !
The applause ! delight ! the wonder of our Stage !
{My Sha{k|E]SPEARE}, rise; I will no{T LODGE} thee by
Chaucer, or [SPENS{E|R], or bid Beaumont lye
A little further, to make thee a roo[M]e :
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________ <= 45 =>
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___ {S H|O] uldpra iseaMatronW h atcou ldhurthermoreBu
. ttho u a[R] tproof eagainstthe m andin deedAbovethillf
. ortu n e[O] fthemo rtheneedIth e refor ewillbeginSoule
. ofth e{A|G] eTheap plausedelig h tthew onderofourStage
. {MySH A{k|E] SPEARE} riseIwillno {T LODGE} theebyChauceror
. [SPEN S{E|R] orbidB eaumontlyeA l ittle furthertomaketh
. eear o o[M] e

Prob. of *O(ROGER)M* with skip <46 ~ 1 in 10,500
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And such wert thou. Looke how the fathers face
Lives in his issue, even so, the race
Of Shakespeares minde, and *MANNERS* brightly shines
In his well toned, and TRUE-filed lines :
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I first got excited about Oxfordian ciphers from reading about 2
amazing near anagrams in Michell's book _Who Wrote Shakespeare_:
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. OUR EVER-LIVIN(g) POET
. VERO NIL VERIU(s) POET

. and:

. ENVIOU(s) SLIVER broke
. NIL VE(r)O VERIUS broke
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. Hamlet (Quarto 2, 1604) Act 4, Scene 7
.
Queen: There is a Willow growes ascaunt the Brooke
. That showes his horry leaves in the glassy streame,
. Therewith FANTASTIQUE gaRLANDs did she make
. Of Crowflowers, Nettles, Daises, and long *PURPLES*
. That liberall Shepheards giue *A GROSSER NAME* ,
. But our cull-cold maydes doe dead mens fingers call them.
. There on the pendant boughes her *CRONET WEEDES*
. Clambring to hang, an *ENVIOU(s) SLIVER* broke,
. When downe her weedy trophiEs and her selfe
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JULY 6, 1604 - Edward de Vere buried
. on St. GodeliEVE's Day
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July 6, 1070 - St. GodeliEVE murdered by
. *DROWNING IN A POND* after being strangled into
. unconciousness by her mother-in-law's servants.
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David Roper Stratford Monument array:
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TE RRAT E (G) I TPOP U L U S M Æ R E T O{L Y M P U S H A B E}T
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ST AYPA S (S) E NGER W H Y G O E S T T H O U B Y S O F A S T R
EA DIFT (H)(O) U CANS T W H O M[E N V I O U S]D E A T H H A T H
PL ASTW (I)(T) H INTH I S {M O N[U]M E N T|S H A K S P E A R E}W
IT HWHO (M)(E) Q UICK(N)a {T U R[E|D]I D E|W H O S E N A M E D}O
<TH DECK> Y (S) T OMBE F A R M O[R|E]t H E N C O S T{S I E H}A L
LY THEH A (T) H WRIT T L E[A.V|E|S L I V]I N G A R T B U T P A
GE TOSE R V E HISW I T T
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"[ENVIOUS SLIV/ER] broke"
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I read Michell's hardback book 25 years ago and it
soon after fell apart so I bought a new paperback.

Michell not only sold me on ciphers but also on group theory...

I think Oxford wrote the (self referential) Hamlet 1603
Quarto while others (including Rutland & Lord STRANGE)
improved upon it for the 1604 Quarto.

After Rutland died in 1612
William Stanley honored him in Hamlet's letter:
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1623 Folio (Act 4, Scene 7)
Claudius reads Hamlet's letter to Laertes:

'High and mighty, You shall know I am set naked on
your kingdom. To-morrow shall I beg leave to see
your kingly eyes: when I shall, first asking your
pardon thereunto, recount the occasion of my sudden
*AND MORE STRANGE RE(t)URN*.' 'HAMLET.'
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____ *AND MORE STRANGE RE(t)URN*
____ *ROGER MANNERS, E. RUT(l)AND*
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. *GROS(s)ER NAME* : *ENVIOU(s) SLIVER*
. *ROGE(r) MANERS* : *NIL VE(r)O VERIUS*
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. Hamlet (Quarto 2, 1604) Act 4, Scene 7
.
Queen: There is a Willow growes ascaunt the Brooke
. That showes his horry leaves in the glassy streame,
. Therewith FANTASTIQUE gaRLANDs did she make
. Of Crowflowers, Nettles, Daises, and long *PURPLES*
. That liberall Shepheards giue *A GROS(s)ER NAM{E}* ,
. But our cull-c{O}ld maydes doe [D]ead mens fing[E]rs call them.
. There on the pen[D]ant boughes h[E]r *CRONET WEED{E}S*
. Clamb(RING) t{O} hang, an *ENVIO[U](s) SLIVER* brok[E],
. When downe he[R] weedy trophi[E]s and her selfe
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. <= 12 =>
.
. *A G R O S (s) E R N A M {E}*
. B u t o u r c u l l -c {O}
. l d m a y d e s d o e [D]
. e a d m e n s f i n g [E]
. r s c a l l t h e m. T h
. e r e o n t h e p e n [D]
. a n t b o u g h e s h [E]
. r *C R O N E T W E E D {E}
. S* C l a m b (R I N G) t {O}
. h a n g, a n *E N V I O [U]
. (s) S L I V E R* b r o k [E]
. W h e n d o w n e h e [R]
. w e e d y t r o p h i [E]
. s a n d h e r s e l f e
.
[DE{E.O.}UERE] 12
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Concanen#An_Essay_Against_Too_Much_Reading

<<Matthew Concanen (1701 – 22 January 1749) was a writer, poet & lawyer born in Ireland He criticised Alexander Pope and was rewarded with a passage in Pope's Dunciad ridiculing him as "A cold, long-winded native of the deep" (Dunciad, ii. 299-304). He was co-author of The history and antiquities of the parish of St. Saviour's, Southwark.

The 1728 anonymous pamphlet, An Essay Against Too Much Reading, has been attributed to Concanen, though it has also been identified (probably wrongly) as the work of a certain "Captain Goulding" (Thomas Goulding) of Bath. The author proposed "a short account of Mr Shakespeare's proceeding, and that I had from one of his intimate acquaintance..." Shakespeare is described as merely a collaborator who "in all probability cou'd not write English." With regard the Bard's grasp of history, the Essay related that Shakespeare "not being a scholar" employed a "chuckle-pated historian" who gave him a set of notes to save the trouble of research. The historian also corrected his grammar.>>
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. THE STORY OF THE LEARNED PIG
. As related by himself to the Author
. of the following letter.
.
Dear Sir,
.
. I have the pleasure to be v[E]ry
. intimate with the man w[H]o shews
. th(E) learned pig at[S]adl(E)r’s We(L)ls.
. As (I) was o(N)e d[A]y sitting (I)n
. his parlour, a[N]d no perso(N) in
. the house bu[T] myself, I was alarmed by a gentle
. rap at the door, which I immediately opened, and
. discovered the learned pig erect on his hinder legs,
. and bowing very gracefully with his head and body.
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. <= 22 =>
.
. I h a v e t h e p l e a s u r e t o b e v [E]
. r y i n t i m a t e w i t h t h e m a n w [H]
. o s h e w s t h (E) l e a r n e d p i g a t [S]
. a d l(E)r’s W e (L) l s.A s(I)w a s o(N)e d [A]
. y s i t t i n g (I) n h i s p a r l o u r,a [N]
. d n o p e r s o (N) i n t h e h o u s e b u [T]
. m y s e l f,

[T.NASHE] -22 : Prob. in first 2 sent. ~ 1 in 410
(NILE) -22,-5
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. *STRANGE* Newes, 1592 by {T}homas {NASHE}
. Printed at London by *{I}ohn {DANTER}*, 1592.
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. Sonnet 76 : 4 X 19 (Metonic cycle)
.
. <= 19 =>
.
. E V E R {T} h e s a m e[A]n d k(E|E)p e
. i n u(E){N}(T)i o n i n a*N O T(E)D W(E)
. E D*T h {A}(T)E V E R y w o r(D|D]o t h
. a l m o {S}(T)F E L m[Y]n a m<E>S h e w
. i n g t {H}[E]i r b i r t h a n d w h e
. [R]e t h {E} y(D)i d p r o c e[E]d
.
{T.NASHE} 19 Prob. in Sonnet 76 ~ 1 in 450
[only *TNASHE* in Sonnets of any skip!]
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Alfred, Lord Tennyson (1809–1892)

Lady Clara Vere de Vere,
You put *(S){T}RANGE* memories in my head.
Not thrice your bra(A){N}ching lines have blown
Since I beheld young (L){A}urence dead.
O your sweet eyes, your low repli(E){S}:
A great enchantress you may be;
But there was (T)H}at across his throat
Which you had hardly car{E}d to see.
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. <= 2 X 19 =>
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. LadyClaraVeredeVereYouput *(S) {T} RANGE* memori
. esinmyheadNotthriceyourbr (A) {N} ching linesh
. aveblownSinceIbeheldyoung (L) {A} urenc edeadO
. yoursweeteyesyourlowrepli (E) {S} Agrea tencha
. ntressyoumaybeButtherewas (T) {H} atacr osshis
. throatWhichyouhadhardlyca r {E} dtose e

{T.NASHE} 38 : Prob. ~ 1 in 130
(TELAS) -38 : Web (Latin)
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. Sonnet 76 (1609)
.
. WHy is my verse so barren of new pride?
. So far from variation or quicke *CHANGE*?
. Why with the time do I not glance aside
. {T}o new found methods, and to compounds *STRANGE*?
. {W}hy write I still all one, [EVER] the same,
. {A}nd keepe inuention in a *NOT{ED WEED}*,
. {T}hat {EVERy WORD} [D]oth almost fel {M[Y] NAME},
. {S}hewing th[E]ir birth, and whe[R]e {T}hey did proce[E]d?
. {O} k{N}ow sweet love I alw{A}ies writ[E] of you,
. A\n\{D} (Y)ou an[D] love are s(T|I|L)l my argument:
. So (A)ll my best is dressing old words new,
. Spending againe what is already spent:
. For as the Sun is daily new and old,
. So is my loue still telling what is told,
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[T.WATSO\n\] Acrostic Prob. ~ 1 in 5500
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Meres: "As {I|TALY) had {DANTE}, Boccace, Petrarch, ...
so England had {T}homas {WATSO\n\}, Thomas Kid, ..."
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____ <= 15 =>
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(N O T){E D W E E D}(T) h A T {E V
. E R y w o r D}[D](O) t h a l m o
. S T F E L {M [Y](N) A M E},S h e w
. i n g t H [E] I r b i r t h a n
. (D) w h e [R] e {T} h E y D i d p r
. (O) c e [E D] O K {N} o w s w e E t
. (L) o [V E] I a l w {A} i e s w r i
. (T)[E] o f y o u A n {D}(Y) o u a n
. [D] l O v E a r e s (T){I}(L) l m y
. a r g u m e n t: S o (A) l l m y
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{I.DANTE/R} skip -16 {found by James Ferris}
(DOLT) skip 15
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[DEVERE] skip -14 {found by James Ferris}
[DYER] skip 14 {found by A.W.Burgstahler}
[DYEREVED] Prob. in any Sonnet ~ 1 in 3,000
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{T.NASHE}'s _Haue with you to Saffron-walden_ was
printed at London by {I}ohn {DANTE/R} in 1596 when
{T.NASHE} was living with Mr. & Mrs. {I}ohn {DANTE/R}
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{T.NASHE}'s _Haue with you to Saffron-walden_ (1596)

"Page, hee beginnes with one 100. againe to make it seeme little,
(if I lye you may look and conuince mee); & in halfe a quire of
paper besides, hath left the Pages vnfigured. I haue read that
the Gian[T] A[N]t[A]u[S] S[H]i[E]ld askt a whole Elephants
hyde to couer it, bona fide I v [...]ter it, scarce a
whole Elephants hyde & a half would serue for a couer"
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. Othello (Quarto 1, 1622) last scene
.
Emillia: Thou hast not halfe the power to doe me harme,
. As I haue to be hurt: O gull, O (DOLT),
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http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A73861.0001.001/1:12?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

ELEGIES VP ON SVNDRY OCCASIONS
Of his Ladies not Comming to London.
By *MICHAELL DRAYTON*, Esquire.

LONDON, Printed by A. M. for WILLIAM LEE, and are to be sold at the
*TURKES* Head in Fleete-Streete, next to the Miter and Phaenix. 1631.
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But when the unpittying [FATES] her end decreed,
They to the same did instantly proceed,
For well they knew (if she had languish'd so)
As those which hence by naturall causes goe,
So many prayers and teares for her had spoken,
As certainly th[E|I)r Iron lawes had broken,
And had awak'd heav'n, who clearely would have show'[D]
{T}hat change of Kingdoms to her death it ow'd,
And that the World still of her [E|N}d might thinke,
It would have let some neighboring mountain sinke
Or the [V|A}st Sea it in on us to cast,
As Severne did about some five yeares past:
Or som[E] {S}terne Comet his curld top to reare,
Whose length should measure halfe ou[R] {HE}misphere,
Holding this height, to say some will not sticke,
That now I rav[E], and am growne lunaticke:
You of what sexe so ere you be, you lye,
'Tis thou thy selfe is lunatique, not I.
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. <= [61] = [5+4+5+20+5+17+5] =>
.
. Ascertainlyth [E] I rIronlaweshadbrokenAndhadawakdheavnwhoclearely
. wouldhaveshow [D]{T} hatchangeofKingdomstoherdeathitowdAndthattheWo
. rldstillofher [E]{N} dmightthinkeItwouldhaveletsomeneighboringmount
. ainsinkeOrthe [V]{A} stSeaitinonustocastAsSevernedidaboutsomefiveye
. arespastOrsom [E]{S} terneComethiscurldtoptoreareWhoselengthshouldm
. easurehalfeou [R]{He} misphereHoldingthisheighttosaysomewillnotstic
. keThatnowIrav [E] a ndamgrownelunaticke
.
[E.DEVERE] 61 : = Gematria value [5+4+5+20+5+17+5]
{T.NASH/e} 61
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Prob. of {T.NASH/e} to right of [E.DEVERE] ~ 1 in 5,000,000
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In 1598 Meres placed:

*THOMAS NASH next to (grand father-in-law) SHAKESPEARE*
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*THOMAS NASH* owned in 1642 the house next New Place in Chapel St.
. *His stone, to the right of Shakespeare's in the chancel*
. http://tinyurl.com/kevdr6g
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. ... the best for Comedy amongst vs bee,
.
_ Edward Earle of Oxforde,
.
_ Doctor Gager of Oxforde,
_ Maister Rowley once a rare Scholler of learned Pembrooke Hall,
_ Maister Edwardes one of her Maiesties Chappell,
_ eloquent and wittie Iohn Lilly,
_ Lodge,
_ Gascoyne,
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_ *GREENE* ,
_ *Shakespeare* ,
_ *THOMAS NASH* ,
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_ Thomas Heywood,
_ Anthony Mundye OUR BEST PLOTTER,
_ Chapman,
_ [PORTER],
.
_ *WILSON, HATHWAY* , and Henry Chettle.
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shakespeare/books/chambers/a...
.
William Shakespeare - A Study of The Facts & Problems
E K Chambers [Appendix A, Section]
.
RECORDS 1. CHRISTENINGS, MARRIAGES, AND BURIALS
.
1626, Apr. 22. M. Mr *THOMAS NASH* to Mrs Elizabeth Hall.
1647, Apr. 5. B. *THOMAS NASH* , Gent.
.
[His stone, to the right of Shakespeare's in the chancel, has under
the arms of *NASH* (<Az. > on a chevron between three ravens' heads
erased <arg. > a pellet between four crosses crosslet <sa. >),
quartered with Bulstrode, impaling Hall quartered with Shakespeare:
.
. HEERE RESTETH YE BODY OF THOMAS
. NASHE, ESQ. HE MAR. ELIZABETH, THE
. DAVG: & HEIRE OF IOHN HALLE, GENT.
. HE DIED APRILL 4. A. 1647, AGED 53.
.
."[FATA] manent omnes, hunc non virtute carentum
. {UT} necque divitiis, abstulit atra dies;
. Abstulit, at referet lux ultima; *SIST[E V|I}ATOR*,
. si p[E|R}itura pa[R|A}s per mal[E] {P}arta peri{S}."
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. <= 9 =>
.
. *S I S T [E V] {I} A T
. O R*s i p [E] {R} i t
. u r a p a [R] {A} s p
. e r m a l [E] {P} a r
. t a p e r i {S}
.
[E/VERE] 9 : Prob. ~ 1 in 160
{SPARI} m (LATIN) of a hunting *SPEAR*
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"[(F)ATE] (A)wai(T)ing (A)ll of this and not to be
deprived of power or wealth, has stolen a day
and taken away the last light; *STAY TRAVELER*;
As perishable ingredients may be obtained through the rocks."
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1597 Woodcut deriding {T.NASHE} with *CHAINS* around his ankles.
Richard Lichfield's _The Trimming of {T}homas {NASHE}, Gentleman_.
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. Antony and Cleopatra Act 5, Scene 2
.
CLEOPATRA: Shall they hoyst me up,
. And shew me to the showting Varlotarie
. Of cen(S)uring Rom(E)? Rather a d(I)tch in Egy(P)t.
. Be gentle grave unto me, rather on *NYLUS mudd(E)*
. Lay me starke-nak'd, and let the water-Flies
. B(L)ow me into abhorring; rather make
. My Countr(I|E}s h{I}gh {P}YRAMIDES my Gibbet,
. And HANG me up *I(N) CHAINES*.
.
(NILE) -36
(PIES) -9
{PIE} -3
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*Victorious though IN CHAINS* ) "In Vinculus Invictus"
Motto in Tower Painting: http://www.gorki.net/Art/fa12.html
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http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/anagrams/
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. HENRICUS URIOTHESLEUS
_____ per anagramma
. THESEUS NIL REUS HIC RUO
.
. [I]ure quidem poteras hanc fundere ab ore querelam,
. [S]ors tibi dum ficto crimine dura fuit:
."[N]IL reus en Theseus censura sortis iniquae
. [H]ic ruo, livoris traditus arbitrio."
. [A]t nunc mutanda ob mutata pericla querela est.
. [I]nclite, an innocuo pectore teste rues?
. [N]on sane. Hac haeres vacuo dat *VIVERE* cura,
. [C]ollati imperii sub Iove sceptra gerens.
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. *ISNHAINC* {anagram} *IN CHAINS*
.
*Victorious though IN CHAINS* ) "In Vinculus Invictus"
Motto in Tower Painting: http://www.gorki.net/Art/fa12.html
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. HENRY WRIOTHESLEY by an anagram
. ('HERE I FALL, *THESEUS, GUILTY OF NOTHING* ')
.
http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/anagrams/text.html
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. HENRICUS URIOTHESLEUS
. THESEUS NIL REUS HIC RUO
_____ per anagramma
. {CHETH} SS [UERO NIL UERIUS]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth

{CHETH} is the eighth letter of the Semitic abjads.

The letter shape ultimately goes back to a hieroglyph for "courtyard."
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(1603) Francis Davison’s
Anagrammata in Nomina Illustrissimorum Heroum
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http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/anagrams/text.html
.
____ *EDOUDARUS V(e)IERUS*
_____ per anagramma
____ *AURE SURDUS VIDEO*
.
{A} uribus hisce licet studio, Fortuna, susurros
{PE} r[F]idiae et technas efficis esse procul,
. [A]ttamen accipio (quae mens horrescit e[T] auris)
. Rebus facta malis corpora surd[A] tenus.
. Imo etiam cerno Catilinae¶ fraude propinquos
. Funere solventes [FATA] aliena suo.

[FATA] 1,32
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_______ *EDWARD VERE*
______ by an anagram
____ *DEAF IN MY EAR, I SEE*

Though by your zeal, FORTUNE, you keep perfidy's
murmurs & schemings at a distance, nonetheless I learn
(at which my mind & ear *QUAKE*) that our bodies have
been deafened with respect to evil affairs. Indeed,
I perceive men who come close to Catiline* in deception,
freeing other men's [FATES] by their death.
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. Romeo and Juliet (Quarto 1, 1597) The Prologue.
.
Tvvo houshold Frends alike in dignitie,
(In faire VEROna, where we lay our Scene)
From ciuill broyles broke into enmitie,
VVhose ciuill warre makes ciuill hands vncleane.
.
[F]rom forth the *[FATA]ll* loynes of these two foes,
[A] paire o{F} starre-crost Louers tooke their life:
. {VV}hose mis{A}duentures, piteous ouerthrowes,
[T]hrough the con{T}inuing of their Fathers strife,
[A]nd death-markt p{A}ssage of their Parents rage
...............
{FATA} 41
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Is now the two howres traffique of our Stage.
The which if you with patient EARES attend,
. {VV}hat *HERE we [WANT]* wee'l studie to amend.
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http://www.sourcetext.com/sourcebook/etexts/pandora/01.htm
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PANDORA, The Musyque of the beautie of his Mistresse Diana.
Composed by John Soowthern / Gentleman,
and dedicated to the right / Honorable,
Edward Deuer, Earle / of Oxenford, & c. 1584.
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To the ryght honourable the Earle of Oxenford. & c.
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Epode #1

. No, no, the finger is his
. Alone : that in the ende must bee
. Made proude, with a garland lyke this,
. [A]nd not ev'rie ryming novice,
. [T]hat writes with small wit, and much paine:
. [A]nd the (Gods knowe) idiot in vaine,
. [F]or it's not the way to Parnasse,
. Nor it wyll neither come to passe,
. If it be not in some wis(E) fic(T)ion,
. (A)nd o(F) an ingenious invension :
. And in(F)anted with pleas(A)nt travaill,
. [F]or i(T) alone must win th(E) Laurell.
. [A]nd onelie the Poet well borne,
. [M]ust be he that goes to Parnassus :
. [A]nd not these companies of Asses,
. That have brought verce almost to scorne.
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V E N V S A N D A D O N I S

Vilia miretur vulgus: mihi flavus Apollo
Pocula Castalia plena ministret aqua.
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P. Ovidius Naso, Amores, Elegy 15

Vilia miretur vulgus; mihi flavus Apollo
Pocula Castalia plena ministret aqua,
Sustineamque coma metuentem (F)rigor(A) myrtu(M),
Atque (A) sollicito multus amante legar!
Pascitur in vivis Livor; post [FATA] quiescit,
Cum suus ex merito quemque tuetur honos.
Ergo etiam cum me supremus adederit ignis,
Vivam, parsque mei multa superstes erit.

(FAMA) 6
[FATA] 1
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Ben Jonson translation:

Kneele hindes to trash: me let bright Phoebus swell,
With cups [F]ull (F)lowing from the Muses well.
(T)he frost-drad myrtle sh[A]ll imp{A}le my head,
(A)nd of s(A)d lovers Ile be often read.
(E)nvy [T]he living, not {T}he dead, doth bite.
(F)or after dea(T)h all men r[E]ceive their right.
Th{E}n when this body falls in funeral fire,
My nam(E) shall live, and my best part aspire.

[FATE] 47,53,64 : Prob. of 3[FATE]s ~ 1 in 143
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. [ON POET-{APE}] EPIGRAMS by Ben Jonson
.
Poor *POET-APE* , that would be thought our chief,
. Whose works are {E}'en the {F}rippery of wit,
[F]rom brokage is become so bold a {T}hief,
. As we, the robb'd, le{A}ve rage, and pity it.
[A]t {F}irst he m{A}de low shifts, would pick and gle{A}n,
. Buy {T}he rEVERsion o{F} old plays ; now grown
[T]o a little wealth, and credit in th{E} scene,
. H{E} takes up all, makes each man's wit his own :
[A]nd, told o{F} this, he slights it. Tut, such crimes
. The sluggish gaping {A}uditor devours ;
. He marks not whose 'twas first : and after-{T}imes
. May judge it to be his, as well as ours.
. Fool ! as if half {E}yes will not know a fleece
. From locks of wool, or shreds from the whole piece ?

{FATE} 35,-45,46,58 : Prob. of 4{FATE}s ~ 1 in 27
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. Wm Shaxpere & Anna *WHATEley* of Temple Grafton
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<<There is an old English word *WHATE* ,
. meaning fortune, [FATE] , or destiny,
I think that in a desperate moment of inspiration,
confused before the clerk, Shakespeare reached into
his heart and came out with the name of that Anne
who would have been his choice, his [FATE], his destiny.>>
...................................................
. - _The Late Mr. Shakespeare_ by Robert Nye
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. http://home.freeuk.net/sidsoft/pensinfo.html
.
The Sidney Family arms shows a *PORCUPINE* & a lion
. on either side of the Sidney PHEON.
.
"Whither the [FATES] call" is the meaning of Sidney's motto:
____ *QUO [FATA] VOCANT*

"Whither the [FATES] carry" is the meaning of Bermuda's motto:
____ *QUO [FATA] FERUNT*
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. Hamlet > Act I, scene IV
.
HAMLET: My *FATE CRIES OUT* ,
. And makes each petty artery in this body
. As hardy as the Nemean lion's nERVE.
. *STILL am I CALL'D* .
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. Sonnet 87
.
. [F]or how do I hold thee but by thy granting,
. [A]nd for that ritches where is my deSERVing?
. [T]he cause of this *FAIRE* guift in me is wanting,
. [A]nd so my pattent back againe is sweruing.
----------------------------­-------------­-----------
. . . Sonnet 70

. That thou are b{L}am'd sh{A}ll not {B}e thy d{E}fect,
. [F|O}r slanders m{A}rke was EUER yet the *(F)AIRE* ,
. The [ORN(A)MENT] of {B}eau(T)y is (SUS)pect,
. [A] Crow that fli[E]s in hea[V|E}ns swe[E]{TEST} ay[R]e.
. {SO} tho[U] be good,[S]lander d{O}th but approue,
. [T]heir *WORTH* the greater beeing woo'd of TIME,
. {F}or Canker vice the sweetest buds doth loue,
. [A]nd thou present'st a pure vnstayined prime.
. {T}hou hast past by the ambush of young daies,
. {E}ither not assayld, or victor beeing charg'd,
. Yet this thy *PRAISE* cannot be soe thy *PRAISE* ,
. To tye vp *ENUY*, EUERmore inlarged,
. If some (SUS)pect of ill *MASKT not thy show*,
. Then thou alone kingdomes of hearts shouldst owe.
....................................................
. <= 7 =>
.
. A C r o w
. t h a t f l i
. [E] s i n h e a
. [V] e n s s w e
. [E]{T E S T}a y
. [R] e{S O}t h o
. [U] b e g o o d,
. [S] l a n d e r
.................................................
. [E.VERUS] 7 : Prob. in any Sonnet ~ 1 in 55
.................................................
__ <= 35 =>
.
. t h ouareb {L} amd s h{A}llnot{B}et h y d{E}fect[F|O}rs
. l a ndersm {A} rke w a s EUERy e tt h e(F)A IRET h e OR
. N(A)MENTof {B} eau(T)y i sSUSp e ct[A]C r o wtha t f li
. e s inheau {E} nss w e e testa y re.S o t h oube g o od
. s l anderd {O} thb u t a pprou e
.
{LABEO} 6,35 : Prob. 2{LABEO}s start any Sonnet ~ 1 in 740
(FATA) 11
.........................................................
. *John Marston* Satire note:
.
. So {LABEO} did complain his love was *STONE*,
. Obdurate, flinty, so relentless none:
. Yet Lynceus knows that in the end of this
. He wrought as *STRANGE a metamorphosis*.
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____ SONNET 60
.
. LIke as the waues make towards the pibled shore,
. So do our minuites hasten to [T]heir end,
. Each [C]hanging plac[E] with that whi[C]h goes before,
. [I]n sequent toi[L]e all forwards do contend.
. Natiuity once in the maine of light.
. Crawles to maturity, wherewith being crown'd,
. *CROOKED ECLIPSES* gainst his glory fight,
. [A]nd time that gaue, doth now his gift confound.
. [T]ime doth transfixe the florish set on youth,
. [A]nd delues the paralels in beauties brow,
.([F]EEDE)s on the rarities of natures *TRUTH* ,
. And nothing stands but for his sieth to mow.
. And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand
. Praising thy *WORTH*, dispight his cruell hand.
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___ <= 12 =>

. S o d o o u r m i n u (I)
. t e s h a s t e n t o [T]
. h e i r e n d,E a c h [C]
. h a n g i n g p l a c [E]
. w i t h t h a t w h i [C]
. h g o e s b e f o r e,[I]
. n s e q u e n t t o i [L]
. e a l l f o r w a r d s
. d o c o n t e n d.

[T.CECIL] 12 prob. in Sonnets ~ 1 in 67
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[T]homas [CECIL]: only Garter vote for Oxford.
President of the Council of the NORTH: 1599–1603

Robert CECIL: *CROOKED ECLIPSES* ?
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http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ahnelson/ARMADA/1589Engl.html

Armada Pamphlets Commissioned by Burghley

An Answer to the vntruthes, pvblished and printed in Spaine, in glorie
of their svpposed victorie atchieued against our English Navie, and
the Right Honorable Charles Lord Howard, Lord high Admiral of England,
&c. Sir Francis Drake, and the rest of the Nobles and Gentlemen,
Captaines, and Soldiers of our said Navie. First written and published
in Spanish By a Spanish Gentleman; who came hither out of the Lowe
Countries from the service of the prince of Parma, with his wife
and familie, since the overthrowe of the Spanish Armada, forsaking
both his countrie and Romish religion; as by this Treatise
(against the barbarous impietie of the Spaniards; and
dedicated to the Queenes most excellent Majestie, may appeere.

Faithfully translated by I. L. [Ihon Lyllie?/Iames Leigh?]

London, Printed by Iohn Iackson, for Thomas Cadman. 1589.
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. (L. Admirall)
. The Admirall with Lion on his creast,
. {l}ike to {A}lcides on the strond o{F} Troy:
. [A]rmd at {A}ssaie, to ba{T}tell is addre{A}st:
. [T]he sea that sawe his frownes, w{A}xt calme and coy,
. [A]s when that Neptune with three{F}orked mase,
. [F]or Trojans sake, did keepe the winds in chase.

{FATA} 11,-40
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. (Earle of Oxford)
. De-Vere whose *FAME* , and loyaltie hath pearst,
. The Tuscan clime, and through the Belgike lands,
. By winged *FAME* , for valor is rehearst:
. Like warlike Mars upon the hatches stands,
. His tusked Bore gan fome for inwarde ire,
. While *PALLAS* fild his breast, with warlike fire.
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On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 5:45:38 PM UTC-4, Arthur Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:

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Prob. of *O(ROGER)M*
You've mispunctuated it, Art -- it should read "O.: roger'm"! Here, of course, "O." refers to Orazio.

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I first got excited
Too much information, Art -- recall that "Dr." Faker's public description of his first "organism" (obtained, according to his own account of the incident, by copulating with a tree) was uniVERsally judged by the h.l.a.s. community as in poor taste.

In any case, I believe that you have already said this two or three times, Art -- or two thousand, or three thousand...
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about Oxfordian ciphers from reading about 2
Michell was a crackpot, Art.
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. OUR EVER-LIVIN(g) POET
. VERO NIL VERIU(s) POET
That's not an anagram, Art.
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. ENVIOU(s) SLIVER broke
. NIL VE(r)O VERIUS broke
That's not an anagram either, Art.

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TE RRAT E (G) I TPOP U L U S M Æ R E T O{L Y M P U S H A B E}T
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ST AYPA S (S) E NGER W H Y G O E S T T H O U B Y S O F A S T R
EA DIFT (H)(O) U CANS T W H O M[E N V I O U S]D E A T H H A T H
PL ASTW (I)(T) H INTH I S {M O N[U]M E N T|S H A K S P E A R E}W
IT HWHO (M)(E) Q UICK(N)a {T U R[E|D]I D E|W H O S E N A M E D}O
<TH DECK> Y (S) T OMBE F A R M O[R|E]t H E N C O S T{S I E H}A L
LY THEH A (T) H WRIT T L E[A.V|E|S L I V]I N G A R T B U T P A
GE TOSE R V E HISW I T T
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"[ENVIOUS SLIV/ER] broke"
Huh?! Where in the above grid do you think (usual disclaimer) that you see "ENVIOUSSLIVER" (or even "ENVIOUSSLIV [sic]" -- which is moronic nonsense) as an equidistant letter sequence, Art?! Your DTs appears to have persisted for seVERal days now!
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I read Michell's hardback book 25 years ago and it
soon after fell apart
That's a common enough experience, Art -- most anti-Stratfordian "arguments" fall apart upon even a cursory perusal.
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so I bought a new paperback.
Michell not only sold me on ciphers but also on group theory...
I think
USUAL DISCLAIMER, Art! Don't forget it!
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Oxford wrote the (self referential) Hamlet 1603
What do you think is "self referential" about _Hamlet_, Art?!

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____ *AND MORE STRANGE RE(t)URN*
____ *ROGER MANNERS, E. RUT(l)AND*
That's not an anagram, Art,
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. *GROS(s)ER NAME* : *ENVIOU(s) SLIVER*
. *ROGE(r) MANERS* : *NIL VE(r)O VERIUS*
Neither of those is an anagram either, Art -- but your farcical foray into "I kill Edwasd [sic] de Vese [sic]" as an "anagram" of "weaved sleided silk" alseady rhowed conclurively that you semain ro uttesly and issemediably illitesate that dirtinguirhing "r" fsom "s" ir rimply imporrible fos you.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Concanen#An_Essay_Against_Too_Much_Reading
Don't give it a thought, Art -- you, of all people, are in *no* danger of too much reading!

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. Sonnet 76 (1609)
.
. WHy is my verse so barren of new pride?
. So far from variation or quicke *CHANGE*?
. Why with the time do I not glance aside
. {T}o new found methods, and to compounds *STRANGE*?
. {W}hy write I still all one, [EVER] the same,
. {A}nd keepe inuention in a *NOT{ED WEED}*,
. {T}hat {EVERy WORD} [D]oth almost fel {M[Y] NAME},
. {S}hewing th[E]ir birth, and whe[R]e {T}hey did proce[E]d?
. {O} k{N}ow sweet love I alw{A}ies writ[E] of you,
. So (A)ll my best is dressing old words new,
. For as the Sun is daily new and old,
. So is my loue still telling what is told,
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[T.WATSO\n\] Acrostic
That's not an acrostic, Art. Indeed, the closest that you could come would be "Twat's O.", which would not be amiss, although I've neVER actually seen Oxford referred to in that way.

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. HENRICUS URIOTHESLEUS
_____ per anagramma
. THESEUS NIL REUS HIC RUO
.
. [I]ure quidem poteras hanc fundere ab ore querelam,
."[N]IL reus en Theseus censura sortis iniquae
. [H]ic ruo, livoris traditus arbitrio."
. [A]t nunc mutanda ob mutata pericla querela est.
. [I]nclite, an innocuo pectore teste rues?
. [N]on sane. Hac haeres vacuo dat *VIVERE* cura,
. [C]ollati imperii sub Iove sceptra gerens.
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. *ISNHAINC* {anagram} *IN CHAINS*
INIPNC score zero.

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____ *EDOUDARUS V(e)IERUS*
_____ per anagramma
____ *AURE SURDUS VIDEO*
That's not an anagram, Art. In any case, it has an INIPNC score of zero -- besides being moronic nonsense, of course.

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