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Venus and Adonis (1593)
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T O T H E R I G H T H O N O R A B L E
Henrie Wriothesley, Earle of Southampton,
and Baron of Titchfield.

RIght Honourable, I know not how I shall offend in
dedicating my unpolisht lines to your Lordship, nor
how the worlde Will censure mee for choosing so
strong a proppe to support so Weake a burthen,
onelye if your Honour seeme but pleased, I ac-
count my selfe highly praised,

and vowe to take advantage of all idle houres,

TILL I [H]AV[E] HO[N]OU[R]ED [Y]OU [W.]IT[H.] SO[M]E G[r.]

-AVER LABOUR.

[HENRY W. H. Mr.]
[HENRY W.] 3 : Prob. in V&A [HENRY W.] dedication ~ 1 in 36,000
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AVER, n. [OF. AVER domestic animal, whence LL. AVERia,
pl. cattle. cf. {AVERage}.] A WORKING OX. [Obs. or Dial. Eng.]
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Moby Dick by Herman Melville
Chapter 103: Measurement of The Whale's Skeleton

The largest, a middle one, is in width somet[H]ing less than three
fe[E]t, and in depth more tha[N] four. The smallest, whe[R]e the
spine tapers awa[Y] into the tail, is only t[W.]o inches in width,
and looks something like a white billiard-ball.

[HENRY W.] 19 : shortest skip in MD & KJV.
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Thomas Fuller, in History of the Worthies of England (1662) 1:262.
http://spenserians.cath.vt.edu/BiographyRecord.php?action=GET&bioid=62

SIR WALTER RAWLEIGH. "The sons of Heth said unto Abraham, Thou art a great Prince among us, In the choice of our Sepulchres bury thy dead, none shall withhold them from thee." So may we say to the memory of this worthy Knight, repose yourself in this our Catalogue under what Topick you please, of States-man, Sea-man, Souldier, Learned Writer, and what not? His worth unlocks our closest Cabinets, and provides both room and wellcome to entertain him.

He was born at Budelely in this County [Devonshire], of an Ancient Family, but decaied in Estate, and he the youngest brother thereof. He was bred in Oriel Colledg in Oxford, and thence coming to Court, found some hopes of the Queens favours reflecting upon him. This made him write in a glasse Window, obvious to the Queens eye, "Fain would I climb, yet fear I to fall." Her Majesty either espying {O}r bein{G} shown {I}t, did u{N}der-wr{I}te, "If thy heart fails thee, climb not at all." However he at last climbed up by the stairs of his own desert. But his Introduction into the Court bare an elder date. From this occasion: This captain Raleigh, coming out of Ireland to the English Court in good habit (his Cloaths being then a considerable part of his estate) found the Queen walking, till meeting with a Plashy place, she seemed to scruple going thereon. Presently Raleigh cast and spread his new Plush Cloak on the ground, whereon the Queen trod gently, rewarding him afterwards with many Suits, for his so free and seasonable tender of so fa{I}r a foot Cl{O}ath. Thus a{N} advantag{E}ous admis{S}ion into the first notice of a Prince, is more than half a degree to preferment.
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{INIGO} -6
{IONES} 9 : Prob. of both in paragraph ~ 1 in 1,500
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It is reported of Women in the Balear Islands, that to make their Sons expert archers; they will not, when children, give them their break-fast before they had hit the mark. Such the dealing of the Queen with this Knight, making him to earn his Honour, and by pain and peril, to purchase what places or credit or profit were bestowed upon him. Indeed it was true of him, what was said of Cato Uticensis: That he seemed to be born to that onely which he went about: So dextrous was he in all his undertakings, In Court, in Ca[M]p, by Sea, by L[A]nd, with Swo[R]d, with Pen, w[I]tnesse in t[He] last his History of the World; wherein the onely default or (defect rather) that it wanted was one half thereof. Yet had he many enemies (which never man wanteth) at Court, his cowardly Detractors, of whom Sir Walter was wont to say, If any man accuseth me to my face, I will answer him with my mouth; but my tail is good enough to return an answer to such who traduceth me behind my back.
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[MARI{He}] 10
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Manners,_5th_Earl_of_Rutland

<<Evidence indicates that Roger Manners, 5th Earl of Rutland
(6 October 1576 – 26 June 1612) was a patron of the architect
Inigo Jones (15 July 1573 – 21 June 1652) and probably
introduced Jones to the Court of James I and Anne of Denmark.>>
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"Moore C W The Freemasons Monthly Magazine Vol IV 1845"

GRAND MASTERS, OR PATRONS, OF THE FREE AND ACCEPTED MASONS IN ENGLAND,
from the coming in of the Saxons to the year 1839, Compiled and
condensed from the most authoritative records, by Br. Thomas Joseph
Tennison, President of the Masonic Council of Armagh, Ireland.
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1607: James I., a Brother Mason, Grand Patron by Prerogative, appointed
Inigo Jones, Grand Master of all England, in which capacity he served
for 11 years. His Wardens were M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert the
Earl of Pembroke, & *NICHOLAS STONE*, Esq., who, attended by many
Brothers attired in Craft clothing, walked to White Hall, and laid
the first stone of the Banquetting Hall, with knocks, huzzas,
and sound of trumpets, throwing a purse of gold upon the stone
for the operatives to drink “To the King and Craft!"

1618. [W]illiam [H]erbert , Earl of Pembroke, was chosen Grand Master.
He appointed Inigo Jones his Deputy.
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http://spenserians.cath.vt.edu/BiographyRecord.php?action=GET&bioid=32933

Thomas Fuller, in History of the Worthies of England (1662) 2:243.

<<BENJAMIN JOHNSON was born in this City [*Westminster*]. When a little child, he lived in Harts-horn-lane near Charing-cross, where his Mother married a bricklayer for her Second husband. He was first bred in a private school in Saint Martins Church, then in *Westminster* school, witness his own Epigram:
.
. Camden, most reverend Head, to whom I owe
. All that I am in Arts, all that I know.
. How nothings that to whom my Country owes
. The great renown and Name wherewith she goes, &c.
.
He was Statutably admitted into Saint Johns-colledge in Cambridge, (as many years after incorporated an honorary member of Christ-church in Oxford) where he continued but few weeks for want of further maintenance, being fain to return to the trade of his father in law. And let not them blush that have, but those that have not a lawful calling.
.
H{E} helped in the new structure of Lincoln's-In{N}, when having a Trowell in his hand, he had a bo{O}k in his pocket. Some gentlemen pitying tha{T} his parts should be buried under the rubbi{S}h of so mean a Calling, did by their bounty ma{N}umit him freely to follow his own ingenious inclinations.
.
He died Anno Domini 1637. and was buried about
the Belfry in the Abbey-church at *Westminster*.
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. <= 36 =>
.
. H {E} helpedinthenewstructureofLincolnsI
. n {N} whenhavingaTrowellinhishandhehadab
. o {O} kinhispocketSomegentlemenpityingth
. a {T} hispartsshouldbeburiedundertherubb
. i {S} hofsomeanaCallingdidbytheirbountym
. a {N} umithimfreelytofollowhisowningenio
. u s inclinations

{N.STONE} -36
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http://91.1911encyclopedia.org/S/SH/SHAKESPEARE.htm
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<<The Stratford bust & monument must have been erected
on the N. wall. The design in its general aspect was one
often adopted by the "tombe-makers "of the period, and
according to Dugdale was executed by a *Fleming* resident
in London since 1567, Garratt Johnson (Gerard JANssen),
who was occasionally a collaborator with *NICHOLAS STONE*,
Esq., (fellow Freemason Warden with [W]illiam [H]erbert).
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. Gerard JANssen / NICK Stone

. Q1 Rossencraft Gilderstone
. Q2 Rosencrans Guyldensterne
. F1 Rosincrane Guildensterne
. F2,3,4 Rosincross(e) Guildenstare

. Rosy Cross Stone Guild
. Rosicrucians Freemasons / the Craft
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WASHINGTON IRVING, 1819 - p.48, Stratford-On-Avon, Sketch Book.
.
<<A flat stone marks the spot where the bard is buried. There
are four lines inscribed on it, said to have been written
by himself, and which have in them something extremely AWFUL.>>
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<<Wm Herbert turned 17 on April 8, 1597, which is quite
. reasonably the time period of the first 17 Sonnets.>>
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[M]r. William SHAKESPE[A|R)ES
COMEDIES, HISTO[R|I)ES, & TRAGEDIES.
Publ[I|S)hed according to t[H(e)] True Originall Co<PIES>
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_________ <= 17 =>

. [M]R. W i l l i a m S (H) A K <E S> P E
. [A|R} E S C o m e d i (E) s,H <I> s t o
. [R|I} e s&T r a g e d (I) e s <P> u b l
. [I|S} h e d a c c o r (D) i n g t o t
. [H(e)]T r u e O r i g (I) n a l l C o
. {P I E S}.
.
[MARI{He}] 17 : Prob. ~ 1 in 4174
(HEIDI) 17 : German form of "ALICE" : "of nobility"
[HIRAM] 17 : Hebrew חירָם "high-born" = 51 = 3 x 17).
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_________ <= 17 =>

. [M]r W H A L L {H} A P P I N E S S E
. [A]N D T H A T {E} T E R N I T I E P
. [R]O M I S E D {B}(Y) O V R E V E R L
. [I]V I N G P O {E}(T) W I S H E T H T
. {H e} W E L L W I (S) H I N G A D V E
. N T V R E R I N S E T T I N G F O
. R T H T T

[MARI{He}] 17 : Prob. ~ 1 in 10,000
(STY) -17
{HEBE} 17
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Lea wrote:

<<The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not appear as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 17 in the above text, Art. Even if it did, it would be utterly unremarkable, as "MARIHE [sic]" is moronic nonsense.>>

"HIRAM" is an important name in Freemasonry
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Lea wrote:

<<To paraphrase Walter Mondale, where's the Abiff, Art?!
"Hiram" without any further identification could be anyone.>>
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https://www.gutenberg.org/files/4217/4217-h/4217-h.htm

A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man by James Joyce
“Et ignotas animum dimittit in artes.” -Ovid, Metamorphoses, VIII., 18.
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The only *FREEMASON* paragraph in Portrait of the Artist:

The formula which he wrote obediently on the sheet of paper, the coiling and
uncoiling calculations of the professor, the spectrelike symbols of force and
velocity fascinated and jaded Stephen’s mind. He had heard some say that the
old professor was an atheist *FREEMASON*. O the grey dull day! It seemed a limbo
of painless patient consciousness throug[H] which souls of mathem{A}ticians
might wander, project[I]ng long slender fa{B}rics from plane to plane of ever
ra[R]er and paler tw{I}light, radiating swift eddies to the l[A]st verge{F}
of a universe ever vaster, farther and more i[M]palpable.
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. <= 44 =>
.
t h e o l d p r o f e s s o r w a s a n a t h e i s t*F R E E M A S O N*O t h e g r e y
d u l l d a y!I t s e e m e d a l i m b o o f p a i n l e s s p a t i e n t c o n s c i
o u s n e s s t h r o u g[H]w h i c h s o u l s o f m a t h e m{A}t i c i a n s m i g h
t w a n d e r,p r o j e c t[I]n g l o n g s l e n d e r f a{B}r i c s f r o m p l a n e
t o p l a n e o f e v e r r a[R]e r a n d p a l e r t w{I}l i g h t,r a d i a t i n g s
w i f t e d d i e s t o t h e l[A]s t v e r g e s o{F}a u n i v e r s e e v e r v a s t
e r,f a r t h e r a n d m o r e i[M]p a l p a b l e.

[HIRAM] 45
{ABIF} 42 : Prob. of both in *FREEMASON* paragraph ~ 1 in 3,000
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Finnegans Wake page 7

And all the way (a horn!) from fiord to fjell his baywinds’ oboboes
shall wail him rockbound (hoahoahoah!) in swimswamswum and all the
livvylong night, the delldale dalppling nig[H]t, the night of bluerybells,
her fl[I]ttaflute in tricky trochees (O CA[R]INA! O CARINA!) wake him.
With her iss[A]van essav{A}ns and her patterjack[M]artins a{B}out all
them inns and ouses. Till{I}ng a teel of a tum, telling a toll o{F}
a teary turty Taubling. Grace be{F}ore Glutton.
...............................................................
. <= 28 =>
.
. A n d a l l t h e w a y(a h o r n)f r o m f i o r d t o
. f j e l l h i s b a y w i n d s’o b o b o e s s h a l l
. w a i l h i m r o c k b o u n d(h o a h o a h o a h)i n
. s w i m s w a m s w u m a n d a l l t h e l i v v y l o
. n g n i g h t, t h e d e l l d a l e d a l p p l i n g n
. i g [H] t,t h e n i g h t o f b l u e r y b e l l s,h e r
. f l [I] t t a f l u t e i n t r i c k y t r o c h e e s(O
. C A [R] I N A!O C A R I N A) w a k e h i m.W i t h h e r i
. s s [A] v a n e s s a v{A}n s a n d h e r p a t t e r j a
. c k [M] a r t i n s a{B}o u t a l l t h e m i n n s a n d
. o u s e s.T i l l{I}n g a t e e l o f a t u m,t e l l i
. n g a t o l l o{F}a t e a r y t u r t y T a u b l i n g.
. G r a c e b e {F}o r e G l u t t o n.
.
[HIRAM] 28
{ABIFF} 27
.
Prob. of both together in first 138 FW lines ~ 1 in 95,000
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Lea wrote:

<<So? Was there supposed to have been any point to the above effusion of crackpot cryptography, Art? This is a selection from _Finnegans Wake_; it has nothing whateVER to do with Shakespeare.>>

The point is that while most of your ad hominems are pointless;
you do provide a useful suggestions from time to time.

Well, as you say, back to Shakespeare:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carina_(constellation)

<<*CARINA* is Latin for the keel of a ship. Carina was once a part of Argo Navis,
the great ship of Jason and the Argonauts who searched for the Golden Fleece.>>
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_______ Sonnet 111

O For my sake doe you wish fortune chide,
The guiltie goddesse of my harmfull deeds,
That did not better for my life prouide,
Then publick meanes which publick *MANNERS* breeds.
Then{C}e *COMES* it that *MY NAME* receiues {A} brand,
And almost thence my natu{R}e is subdu'd
To what it workes in, l{I}ke the *DYERS HAND*,
Pitty me then, a{N}d wish *I wERE REnU'DE*,
Whilst like {A} willing pacient I will drinke,
Potions of Eysell gainst my strong infection,
No bitternesse that I will bitter thinke,
Nor double pennance to correct correction.
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. <= 27 =>
.
. T h e n {C} e*C O M E S*i t t h a t*M Y N A M E*r e c e
. i u e s {A} b r a n d,A n d a l m o s t t h e n c e m y
. n a t u {R} e i s s u b d u'd T o w h a t i t w o r k e
. s i n,l {I} k e t h e*D Y E R S H A N D*P i t t y m e t
. h e n,a {N} d w i s h*I w E R E R E n U'D E*W h i l s t
. l i k e {A} w i l l i n g p a c i e n t I w i l l d r i
. n k e,
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. Sonnet 5
.
Sap checkt with frost {A}nd lustie leau's quite gon.
Beauty ore-snow'd and {B}arenes euery where,
Then were not summers dist{I}llation left
A liquid prisoner pent in *Walls o{F} GLASSE*,
Beauties effect with beauty were bere{F}t,
Nor it nor noe remembrance what it was.
But flo{W}ers distil'd though they with winter meete,
Lee{S}e but their show, their substance still liues {SW}eet.
............................................................
. <= 39 =>
.
. Sapchecktwit hfros t{A} ndlust ieleausquitego
. nBeautyoresn owdan d{B} arenes euerywhereThen
. werenotsumme rsdis t{I} llatio nleftAliquidpr
. isonerpentin *Walls o{F} GLASSE* Beautieseffect
. withbeautywe reber e{F} tNorit nornoeremembra
. ncewhatitwas Butfl o{W} ersdis tildthoughthey
. withwinterme eteLe e{S} ebutth eirshowtheirsu
. bstancestill liues {S W} eet.
.
{ABIFF: WS} skip 39
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and "MARI He." is mother of
[soon to be Grand] M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert
Lea wrote: <<Want to bet, Art?>>

A bet about:

1) who was the mother of M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert?
2) whether [W]illiam [H]erbert became Grand M(aste)r in 1618?
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. Sweet swan of Avon! what a fight it were
. To see thee in our waters yet appeare,
. And make those flights upon t{He} bankes of Tha[M]es,
. That so did t[A]ke Eliza, and ou[R] James !
. But stay, [I] see thee in the {He}misphere
........................................
_____ <= 13 =>
.
. S w e e t s w a n o f A v
. o n! w h a t a S I G H t i
. t w e r e T O s e E t h e
. e i n o u R w a T e r s y
. e t a p p e a r e, A n d m
. a k e t h o s e f l i g h
. t s u p o n t {H e} B a n k
. e S o f T H a [M]e s, T h a
. T s o d I d t [A]k e E l I
. z a, a N d o u [R]J a m E s!
. B u T s t a y [I]s e e t h
. e E i n t h e {H e} m i s p
. H e r e
.
[MARI{He}] 13 : Prob. (at end) ~ 1 in 1524 (skip < 14)
[MARI{He}]: only 5 times in modern KJV w. skip < 18
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THE LA. [MARI]e {HE}r{BE}rt COUNTESSE OF PEMBROOKE.
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Lea wrote:

<<As above, the string "MARIHE [sic]" *does not appear*
as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 13.>>

"HIRAM" is an important name in Freemasonry and
"MARI He." was mother of [soon to be Grand] M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert
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Terry Ross wrote: <<The emblematic device at the head
of the [*MINERVA* Britanna] title page with its motto:
........................................................
. "{UT} [A]lij[S], me c[ONS]u[M]e"
. ("as you burn I consume myself")
. and its picture of *TWO (Masonic?) LIGHTED CANDLES*.>>

Lea wrote: <<Candles need not be Masonic, Art.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and the same is true of candles.>>
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I'll be a *CANDLE*-holder, and look on. Romeo and Juliet: I, iv
.
So, out went the *CANDLE*, and we were left darkling. King Lear: I, iv
.
The way to dusty death. out, out, brief *CANDLE*! Macbeth: V, v
.
What, must I hold a *CANDLE* to my shames? Merchant of Venice: II, vi
Thus hath the *CANDLE* singed the moth. Merchant of Venice: II, ix
When the moon shone, we did not see the *CANDLE*. Merchant of Venice: V, i
How far that little *CANDLE* throws his beams! Merchant of Venice: V, i
.
Bell, book, and *CANDLE* shall not drive me back, King John: III, iii
.
Time enough to go to bed with a *CANDLE*, I warrant King Henry IV, part I: II, i
.
You whoreson *CANDLE*-mine, you, how vilely did you King Henry IV, part II: II, iv
A wassail *CANDLE*, my lord, all tallow: if I did say King Henry IV, part II: I, ii
What! you are as a *CANDLE*, the better part burnt King Henry IV, part II: I, ii
.
Here burns my *CANDLE* out; ay, here it dies, King Henry VI, part III: II, vi
.
This *CANDLE* burns not clear: 'tis I must snuff it; King Henry VIII: III, ii
.
Seek him with *CANDLE*; bring him dead or living As You Like It: III, i
Than without *CANDLE* may go dark to bed-- As You Like It: III, v
.
With *CANDLE*-wasters; bring him yet to me, Much Ado About Nothing: V, i
.
Of boots that have been *CANDLE*-cases, one buckled, The Taming of the Shrew: III, ii
.
He dares not come there for the *CANDLE*; for, you A Midsummer Night's Dream: V, i

Hand, help me to a *CANDLE*, and pen, ink and paper: Twelfth Night: IV, ii
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Terry Ross wrote: <<The emblematic device at the head
of the [*MINERVA* Britanna] title page with its motto:
........................................................
. "{UT} [A]lij[S], me c[ONS]u[M]e"
. ("as you burn I consume myself")
. and its picture of *TWO (Masonic?) LIGHTED CANDLES*.>>
.
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. (3rd Masonic candle = arm + feather)
.
. "{UT} [A]lij[S], me c[ONS]u[M]e"
......................................................
_______ [M-A-S-ONS]: (cui e mel {TU}i)
_______________ (and from your honey)
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_____ {UT} [MASTER M-A-S-ONS]
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___ <= 3 x 7 =>
.
. {U} P o n t h e L i n e s a n d L i f e o f
. {T} H e F a m o u s S c e n i c k e P o e t
.
. [M A S T E R] W I L L I A M S H A K E S P E
. [A] R E T h o s e h a n d s w h i c h y o u
. [S] O c l a p t g o n o w a n d w r i n g Y
. [O] u B r i t a i n e s b r a v e f o r d o
. [N] e a r e S h a k e s p e a r e s d a y e
. [S]

[MASONS] 21 : Prob. at start of poem ~ 1 in 9460
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On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 10:02:39 AM UTC-4, Arthur Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:

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In Court, in Ca[M]p, by Sea, by L[A]nd, with Swo[R]d, with Pen,
w[I]tnesse in t[He] last his History of the World; wherein the onely default or (defect rather) that it wanted was one half thereof. Yet had he many enemies (which never man wanteth) at Court, his cowardly Detractors, of whom Sir Walter was wont to say, If any man accuseth me to my face, I will answer him with my mouth; but my tail is good enough to return an answer to such who traduceth me behind my back.
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[MARI{He}] 10
The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not occur as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 10 in the above text, Art -- or for that matter, as an equidistant letter sequence of *any* skip. And in any case, "MARIHE [sic]" is moronic nonsense.

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_________ <= 17 =>
. [M]R. W i l l i a m S (H) A K <E S> P E
. [A|R} E S C o m e d i (E) s,H <I> s t o
. [R|I} e s&T r a g e d (I) e s <P> u b l
. [I|S} h e d a c c o r (D) i n g t o t
. [H(e)]T r u e O r i g (I) n a l l C o
. {P I E S}.
.
[MARI{He}] 17
The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not occur as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 17 -- or for that matter, as an equidistant letter sequence of *any* skip -- in the above text, Art. And in any case, "MARIHE [sic]" is moronic nonsense.

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_________ <= 17 =>
. [M]r W H A L L {H} A P P I N E S S E
. [A]N D T H A T {E} T E R N I T I E P
. [R]O M I S E D {B}(Y) O V R E V E R L
. [I]V I N G P O {E}(T) W I S H E T H T
. {H e} W E L L W I (S) H I N G A D V E
. N T V R E R I N S E T T I N G F O
. R T H T T
[MARI{He}] 17
The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not occur as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 17 -- or for that matter, as an equidistant letter sequence of *any* skip -- in the above text, Art. And in any case, "MARIHE [sic]" is moronic nonsense.

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and "MARI He." is mother of
[soon to be Grand] M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert
Lea wrote: <<Want to bet, Art?>>
1) who was the mother of M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert?
2) whether [W]illiam [H]erbert became Grand M(aste)r in 1618?
What on earth is the matter with you, Art?! Are you unable to read English?! (The question is of course purely rhetorical.) I have *already answered this* -- twice, in fact. I was inquiring whether you had the inclination to bet upon whether William Herbert became Grand Master in 1618.

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The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not occur as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 13 -- or for that matter, as an equidistant letter sequence of *any* skip -- in the above text, Art. And in any case, "MARIHE [sic]" is moronic nonsense.

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Art Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter)
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