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Gilbert Shakespeare's signature [brother of WS]
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marco
2016-09-05 18:58:39 UTC
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On March 5, 1610 Gilbert Shakespeare, one of William Shakespeare’s younger brothers, witnessed the deed shown here as a Stratford resident.
His signature, in a neat hand, indicates a sound education probably provided at the town’s grammar school.
It is the only example of his handwriting currently known.

Little is known about Gilbert Shakespeare’s life but, after trying out his hand as a haberdasher in London in the 1590s, he appears to have returned to Stratford, ca. 1600, in time to act, in Shakespeare’s absence, as the man to whom “seisin” (a formal procedure for taking possession) was granted of the 107 acres which Shakespeare had purchased from John Combe in May 1602.

As far as is known, he remained in Stratford until his death in February 1612.


http://www.shakespearedocumented.org/exhibition/document/gilbert-shakespeare-william-shakespeare-s-younger-brother-witnesses-stratford

[from shakespearedocumented.org]

marc
g***@btinternet.com
2016-09-06 00:06:03 UTC
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Post by marco
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On March 5, 1610 Gilbert Shakespeare, one of William Shakespeare’s younger brothers, witnessed the deed shown here as a Stratford resident.
His signature, in a neat hand, indicates a sound education probably provided at the town’s grammar school.
It is the only example of his handwriting currently known.
Little is known about Gilbert Shakespeare’s life but, after trying out his hand as a haberdasher in London in the 1590s, he appears to have returned to Stratford, ca. 1600, in time to act, in Shakespeare’s absence, as the man to whom “seisin” (a formal procedure for taking possession) was granted of the 107 acres which Shakespeare had purchased from John Combe in May 1602.
As far as is known, he remained in Stratford until his death in February 1612.
http://www.shakespearedocumented.org/exhibition/document/gilbert-shakespeare-william-shakespeare-s-younger-brother-witnesses-stratford
[from shakespearedocumented.org]
marc
However if you want to know more about Gilbert you have to look at a play called "A Chaste Maid In Cheapside" by Thomas Middleton. Both Gilbert and Shakespeare become thinly disguised characters in the play. They are cast as the brothers Touchwood. With William being senior and Gilbert the junior one. Neither of the two men act in the play. But their real life antics are recorded in the play.
Since we know little of Gilbert the link to him comes from what we know of his brother.
Wiki says of the play...
"Touchwood Senior prepares to depart from his wife; prodigiously fertile, he impregnates any woman he sleeps with. He and his wife must separate to avoid another pregnancy, which they cannot afford. His salvation comes from the Kixes, an aging couple who have not been able to conceive."

This gives us the clue as Touchwood Senior being William Shakespeare. The Kixes are of course James Stuart and his wife Anne of Denmark. After James and Anne were married it took several years for them to conceive, but when she does it never stops! And the kids look like William Shakespeare, even down today's descendants of them!
So if there is a brother for this man Touchwood, who is William Shakespeare, he must therefore be Gilbert!

Of course not all the events in the play are true and happened to the Shakespeare's brothers. But Middleton uses the same techniques in writing the plays as William Shakespeare does. In that he takes real life events and real people then mixes them up for effect. In Shakespeare he does this over several different plays. So you have to piece the real events over several plays. Since the muse of William was Queen Elizabeth, you can see bits of her life scattered across the Shakespeare plays. Easy to spot these days since we have the hindsight of knowing the full story of Elizabeth's life. However Middleton probably didn't use Elizabeth's life. So he would have different sources or people for his plays. One of them seems to have been the life of Shakespeare. But was this out of respect for the man, or was he indirectly attacking him?
The world of the theatre and the people who worked in it, would have made good storylines for plays. Shakespeare of course was a colourful character, even getting called an "upstart crow". So his life story, which would have been known in the theatre world a good basis for plays.
Of course if you tried that in drama today. And the people were bright enough to spot it. You get your ass sued off!
Nevertheless it is much more difficult to write any kind of fiction and to make things up. Therefore it's much easier to write about what you do know about and try and make certain others don't spot it. Though if it's not derogatory you can later admit to it. As some modern writers have done.
marco
2016-09-06 23:26:57 UTC
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[link to document below]
On March 5, 1610 Gilbert Shakespeare, one of William Shakespeare’s younger brothers, witnessed the deed shown here as a Stratford resident.
His signature, in a neat hand, indicates a sound education probably provided at the town’s grammar school.
It is the only example of his handwriting currently known.
Little is known about Gilbert Shakespeare’s life but, after trying out his hand as a haberdasher in London in the 1590s, he appears to have returned to Stratford, ca. 1600, in time to act, in Shakespeare’s absence, as the man to whom “seisin” (a formal procedure for taking possession) was granted of the 107 acres which Shakespeare had purchased from John Combe in May 1602.
As far as is known, he remained in Stratford until his death in February 1612.
http://www.shakespearedocumented.org/exhibition/document/gilbert-shakespeare-william-shakespeare-s-younger-brother-witnesses-stratford
[from shakespearedocumented.org]
marc
However if you want to know more about Gilbert you have to look at a play called "A Chaste Maid In Cheapside" by Thomas Middleton. Both Gilbert and Shakespeare become thinly disguised characters in the play. They are cast as the brothers Touchwood. With William being senior and Gilbert the junior one. Neither of the two men act in the play. But their real life antics are recorded in the play.
Since we know little of Gilbert the link to him comes from what we know of his brother.
Wiki says of the play...
"Touchwood Senior prepares to depart from his wife; prodigiously fertile, he impregnates any woman he sleeps with. He and his wife must separate to avoid another pregnancy, which they cannot afford. His salvation comes from the Kixes, an aging couple who have not been able to conceive."
This gives us the clue as Touchwood Senior being William Shakespeare. The Kixes are of course James Stuart and his wife Anne of Denmark. After James and Anne were married it took several years for them to conceive, but when she does it never stops! And the kids look like William Shakespeare, even down today's descendants of them!
So if there is a brother for this man Touchwood, who is William Shakespeare, he must therefore be Gilbert!
Of course not all the events in the play are true and happened to the Shakespeare's brothers. But Middleton uses the same techniques in writing the plays as William Shakespeare does. In that he takes real life events and real people then mixes them up for effect. In Shakespeare he does this over several different plays. So you have to piece the real events over several plays. Since the muse of William was Queen Elizabeth, you can see bits of her life scattered across the Shakespeare plays. Easy to spot these days since we have the hindsight of knowing the full story of Elizabeth's life. However Middleton probably didn't use Elizabeth's life. So he would have different sources or people for his plays. One of them seems to have been the life of Shakespeare. But was this out of respect for the man, or was he indirectly attacking him?
The world of the theatre and the people who worked in it, would have made good storylines for plays. Shakespeare of course was a colourful character, even getting called an "upstart crow". So his life story, which would have been known in the theatre world a good basis for plays.
Of course if you tried that in drama today. And the people were bright enough to spot it. You get your ass sued off!
Nevertheless it is much more difficult to write any kind of fiction and to make things up. Therefore it's much easier to write about what you do know about and try and make certain others don't spot it. Though if it's not derogatory you can later admit to it. As some modern writers have done.
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A***@germanymail.com
2016-09-08 18:50:25 UTC
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Post by marco
[link to document below]
On March 5, 1610 Gilbert Shakespeare, one of William Shakespeare’s younger brothers, witnessed the deed shown here as a Stratford resident.
His signature, in a neat hand, indicates a sound education probably provided at the town’s grammar school.
It is the only example of his handwriting currently known.
Little is known about Gilbert Shakespeare’s life but, after trying out his hand as a haberdasher in London in the 1590s, he appears to have returned to Stratford, ca. 1600, in time to act, in Shakespeare’s absence, as the man to whom “seisin” (a formal procedure for taking possession) was granted of the 107 acres which Shakespeare had purchased from John Combe in May 1602.
As far as is known, he remained in Stratford until his death in February 1612.
http://www.shakespearedocumented.org/exhibition/document/gilbert-shakespeare-william-shakespeare-s-younger-brother-witnesses-stratford
[from shakespearedocumented.org]
marc
However if you want to know more about Gilbert you have to look at a play called "A Chaste Maid In Cheapside" by Thomas Middleton. Both Gilbert and Shakespeare become thinly disguised characters in the play. They are cast as the brothers Touchwood. With William being senior and Gilbert the junior one. Neither of the two men act in the play. But their real life antics are recorded in the play.
Since we know little of Gilbert the link to him comes from what we know of his brother.
Wiki says of the play...
"Touchwood Senior prepares to depart from his wife; prodigiously fertile, he impregnates any woman he sleeps with. He and his wife must separate to avoid another pregnancy, which they cannot afford. His salvation comes from the Kixes, an aging couple who have not been able to conceive."
This gives us the clue as Touchwood Senior being William Shakespeare. The Kixes are of course James Stuart and his wife Anne of Denmark. After James and Anne were married it took several years for them to conceive, but when she does it never stops! And the kids look like William Shakespeare, even down today's descendants of them!
So if there is a brother for this man Touchwood, who is William Shakespeare, he must therefore be Gilbert!
Of course not all the events in the play are true and happened to the Shakespeare's brothers. But Middleton uses the same techniques in writing the plays as William Shakespeare does. In that he takes real life events and real people then mixes them up for effect. In Shakespeare he does this over several different plays. So you have to piece the real events over several plays. Since the muse of William was Queen Elizabeth, you can see bits of her life scattered across the Shakespeare plays. Easy to spot these days since we have the hindsight of knowing the full story of Elizabeth's life. However Middleton probably didn't use Elizabeth's life. So he would have different sources or people for his plays. One of them seems to have been the life of Shakespeare. But was this out of respect for the man, or was he indirectly attacking him?
The world of the theatre and the people who worked in it, would have made good storylines for plays. Shakespeare of course was a colourful character, even getting called an "upstart crow". So his life story, which would have been known in the theatre world a good basis for plays.
Of course if you tried that in drama today. And the people were bright enough to spot it. You get your ass sued off!
Nevertheless it is much more difficult to write any kind of fiction and to make things up. Therefore it's much easier to write about what you do know about and try and make certain others don't spot it. Though if it's not derogatory you can later admit to it. As some modern writers have done.
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Arthur Neuendorffer
2016-09-09 16:15:14 UTC
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g***@btinternet.com
2016-09-09 19:40:31 UTC
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I much prefer Arthur in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy where the infinite improbability drive ship has rescued him from space and 10,000 monkeys want to discuss the script they have just completed about Hamlet!
marco
2016-09-10 16:30:06 UTC
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http://minnov8.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/dilbert-monkeys.jpg
I much prefer Arthur in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy where the infinite improbability drive ship has rescued him from space and 10,000 monkeys want to discuss the script they have just completed about Hamlet!
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