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From [HEN]c(E) yo(U|R] m(E)mo(R|Y] d(E)at(H) cannot take,
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Arthur Neuendorffer
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The *EPITAPH* Sonnet 81: [HEN]ce you[R] memor[Y]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_de_Vere,_18th_Earl_of_Oxford

<<[H]enry de [VERE], 18th Earl of Oxford KB (24 February 1593 – June 1625) served under his kinsman, Sir [H]oratio [VERE] in the Palatinate between June and November 1620. He was buried in Westminster Abbey on 25 July 1625 . An elegy to him was written by the poet Abraham Holland and published after Abraham Holland's death by his brother, the printer [H]enry Holland in a collection entitled Hollandi Posthuma.>>
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Hollan(D)i posthuma : a funerall elegie of King Iames: With
a congratulatory sal[V|E) to King Charles. An elegie of the
magnanimous Henry Earle of Oxford. A [D|E]scription of the late
great, fearefull and prodigious plague: and div[E|R]s other
patheticall poemes, elegies, and other lines, on divers subiect[E]s.
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. <= 59 =>
.
. Holl a n(D) iposthumaafunerallelegieofKingIamesWithacongratulato
. rysa l[V|E) toKingCharlesAnelegieofthemagnanimousHenryEarleofOxf
. ordA [D|E]s criptionofthelategreatfearefullandprodigiousplaguean
. ddiv [E|R]s otherpatheticallpoemeselegiesandotherlinesondiverssu
. biec t[E]s

[DE/VERE] 59 : Prob. ~ 1 in 790
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The post-humes of Abraham Holland, sometimes of Trinity-Colledge
in Cambridge. The authors *EPITAPH*, made by himselfe.
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Sonnet 81 : Only *EPITAPH* mentioned in Sonnets:

OR I shall liue your *Epitaph* to make,
Or you suruiue when I in earth am rotten,
From [HEN]c(E) yo(U|R] m(E)mo(R|Y] d(E)at(H) cannot take,
Although in me each part will be forgotten.

(E.UERE,H.) 3
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*YOUR NAME* from he[N]c[E] i[M]m[O|R}tall life shall haue,
Though I (onc{E} gone) Eo all the world must dye,
T(H)e {E}arth can yeeld me but a common gra{V}e,
Wh(E)n yo(U) *INTOMBED* in mens (E)yes s{H}all lye,

You(R) *MONUMENT* shall b(E) my gen[T]le {V}erse,
W(H)ich (E)y[E]s not yet created [S]hall or{E}-read,
And [T]o(U)ngs to be, your beeing shall r{E}hearse,
When all the breathers of this wo{R}ld are dead.

You still shall liu[E] (such *VER(t[U])E* hath my P[E]n)
Where br[E]ath most b[R]eaths, euen in the mouths of men.
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. <= Roper's *Epitaph* 34 =>
.
.*Y O U R N A M E*f r o m h e[N]c[E]i[M]m[O|R}t a l l l i f e s h a l
. l h a u e T h o u g h I o n c{E}g o n e t o a l l t h e w o r l d m
. u s t d y e T(H)e{E}a r t h c a n y e e l d m e b u t a c o m m o n
. g r a{V}e W h(E)n y o(U)I N T O M B E D i n m e n s E y e s s{H}a l
. l l y e Y o u(R)M O N U M E N T S*h a l l b E m y g e n[T]l e{V}e r
. s e W(H)i c h(E)y[E]s n o t y e t c r e a t e d[S]h a l l o r{E}r e
. a d A n d[T]o(U)n g s t o b e y o u r b e e i n g s h a l l r{E}h e
. a r s e W h e n a l l t h e b r e a t h e r s o f t h i s w o{R}l d
. a r e d e a d.
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[NEMO] 2 : Prob. in this Sonnet ~ 1 in 60
(UERE,H.) -34, 15
{H.VEER} 34,-28 : Prob of 5"H.VERE"s ~ 1 in 5440
(E.UEER) 9
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___ <= 15 =>
.
. Y o u(R)M O N U M E N T S*h a
. l l b E m y g e n[T]l e{V}e r
. s e W(H)i c h(E)y[E|S]n o t y
. e t c r e a t e d[S]h a l l[O]
. r{E}r e a d A n d[T|O|U)n g[S]
. t o b e y o u r b e e i n g s
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http://tinyurl.com/lggvpor

The only RolleTT array with "T"s at all corners:
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. <= 15 =>
.
. <T>{O}T H E O N L I E B E G E<T>
. T {E}R O F T [H] E S E I N S V I
. N G S O N N [E] T S M R W H A L
. L H A P P I [N] E S S E A N D T
. H A T E T E [R] N I T I E P R{O}
. M I S E D B [Y]{O}V R E V E R{L}
. I V I N G P {O}{E}T W I S H E T
. H T H E W E {L} L W I S H I N G
. A D V E N T V R E R I N S E<T>
. <T> I N G F O R T H T<T>

[HENRY]{L.O.}{E.O.}
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http://tinyurl.com/kdojccs
http://tinyurl.com/btjnmta

{L}ord {O}xford: [HENRY] de Vere, (18)th {E}arl of {O}xford,
and [HENRY] Wriothesley, (3)rd earl of Southampton - circa 1619

Ung par <T>out, <T>out par Ung

<<Henry Wriothesley Earl of Southampton and Henry de Vere,
the 18th Earl of Oxford+ became close friends during the
reign of James; the earls were known as the “Two Henries.”

They were Parliament men who often took sides
against the king and were imprisoned for it.>> >

([HENRY] de Vere was born to Edward de Vere
and his second wife Elizabeth Trentham in February 1593)
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http://www.shakespearesmonument.com/page10.html

The Fair Youth of the Shakespeare Sonnets
Hank Whittemore

http://tinyurl.com/7g54mnp

Southampton’s motto: Ung par <T>out, <T>out par Ung
or One for All, All for One is played upon throughout
the sonnets in a variety of ways; for example:
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. Resembling sire, and child, and happy mother,
. Who *ALL IN ONE, ONE* pleasing note do sing. (Sonnet 8)
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. Since all alike my songs and praises be
. To one, of one, still such, and *EVER* so...
. One thing expressing, leaves out difference...
. *Three themes in ONE , which wondrous scope affords.
. Fair, kind, and true, have often lived alone, (Sonnet 105)
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. {W}hy write I still *ALL ONE, EVER* the same,
. {A}nd keep invention in a noted weed,
. {T}hat *EVERy word* doth almost tell my name,
. Showing their birth, and where they did proceed? (Sonnet 76)
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The only {WAT} in Shakespeare:
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. Venus and Adonis (1593!) Stanza 115
.
By this poore {WAT} farre off vpon a hill,
Stands on his hinder-legs with listning eare,
To hearken if his foes pursue him still,
Anon their loud alarums [H]e doth h[E]are,
And [N]ow his g[R]iefe ma[Y] be compared well,
To one sore sicke, that heares the passing bell.
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__ <= 7 =>

. A n {O} n t h e
. i r {L} o u d a
. l a r u m s [H]
. e d {O} t h h [E]
. a r {E},A n d [N]
. o w {H} i s g [R]
. i e f {E} m a [Y]
. b {E} c {O} m p a
. r {O} e d w e l l,
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[HENRY] 7

Prob. in {WAT} Stanza ~ 1 in 1877
Prob. in any V&A Stanza ~ 1 in 10
Next smallest skip: 63
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Then shalt thou see the deaw-bedabbled wretch,
Turne, and returne, indenting with the way,
Ech enuious brier, his wearie legs do scratch,
Ech shadow makes him stop, ech murmour stay,
For miserie is troden on by manie,
And being low, neuer releeu'd by anie.

Lye quietly, and heare a litle more,
Nay do not struggle, for *thou shalt not RISE* ,
To make thee *hate the hunting of the BORE* ,
Vnlike my selfe thou hear'st me moralize,
Applying this to that, and so to so,
For loue can comment vpon *EVERiE* wo.
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[V]envs and Adonis
.
. TO TH[E] RIGHT HONORABLE
. Hen[R]ie Wriothesley,
. Earl[E] of Southampton,
. and Baron of Titchfield.
.
[VERE] 18 : Prob. ~ 1 in 100
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. RIght Honourable, I know not how I shall offend in
. dedicating my vnpolisht lines to your Lordship, nor
. how the worlde vvill censure mee for choosing so
. strong a proppe to support so vveake a burthen,
. onelye if your Honour seeme but pleased, I ac-
. *COUNT my selfe* highly praised, and *VOWE*
. to take aduantage of all idle houres, TILL I
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[H]AU[E] HO[N]OU[R]ED [Y]OU {W.}I T{H.} SO{M}E G{r.}AUER LABOUR.
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--- "[T] I L
---- [L] I [H]
-- [A] V [E]
- [H] O [N]
- [O.] U [R]
-- [E.] D [Y]
.
. O U {W.}
--- I T {H.}
.
. S O {M}
- E G {r.}
.
. -AVER LABOUR"
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[HENRY] 3 : Prob. ~ 1 in 1000
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. The chance of finding [HENRY] {W.H.} {Mr.}
. (or something roughly to that effect)
. within one of the two Shak. poetry dedications
. to *Henry* Wriothesley is about 1 in 4,000,000
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Art Neuendorffer
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2016-12-24 23:34:46 UTC
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On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 2:25:14 PM UTC-5, Arthur Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:

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. <= 59 =>
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. Holl a n(D) iposthumaafunerallelegieofKingIamesWithacongratulato
. rysa l[V|E) toKingCharlesAnelegieofthemagnanimousHenryEarleofOxf
. ordA [D|E]s criptionofthelategreatfearefullandprodigiousplaguean
. ddiv [E|R]s otherpatheticallpoemeselegiesandotherlinesondiverssu
. biec t[E]s
[DE/VERE] 59 : Prob. ~ 1 in 790
That's not an equidistant letter sequence, Art.

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. <= 15 =>
.
. <T>{O}T H E O N L I E B E G E<T>
. T {E}R O F T [H] E S E I N S V I
. N G S O N N [E] T S M R W H A L
. L H A P P I [N] E S S E A N D T
. H A T E T E [R] N I T I E P R{O}
. M I S E D B [Y]{O}V R E V E R{L}
. I V I N G P {O}{E}T W I S H E T
. H T H E W E {L} L W I S H I N G
. A D V E N T V R E R I N S E<T>
. <T> I N G F O R T H T<T>
[HENRY]{L.O.}{E.O.}
It doesn't say "Henry L.O." in an equidistant letter sequence, Art; it says "HENRYOL [sic]", which is moronic nonsense.

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So wat, Art?! Why do set such store by the chance occurrence of (usually meaningless) short, unimpressive character strings?

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[V]envs and Adonis
.
. TO TH[E] RIGHT HONORABLE
. Hen[R]ie Wriothesley,
. Earl[E] of Southampton,
. and Baron of Titchfield.
.
[VERE] 18 : Prob. ~ 1 in 100
That's not an equidistant letter sequence either, Art.

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--- "[T] I L
---- [L] I [H]
-- [A] V [E]
- [H] O [N]
- [O.] U [R]
-- [E.] D [Y]
.
. O U {W.}
--- I T {H.}
.
. S O {M}
- E G {r.}
"TLAHOE [sic]" is (for once!) a valid equidistant letter sequence, Art -- but it is moronic nonsense. You might just as well emphasize the equidistant letter sequence "IIVOUD [sic]".

Merry Christmas, Art!
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Art Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter)
Arthur Neuendorffer
2016-12-25 02:16:22 UTC
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[V]envs and Adonis
.
. TO TH[E] RIGHT HONORABLE
. Hen[R]ie Wriothesley,
. Earl[E] of Southampton,
. and Baron of Titchfield.
.
[VERE] 18 : Prob. ~ 1 in 100
That's not an equidistant letter sequence either, Art.
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. <= 18 =>
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. [V] e n v s a n d A d o n i s T O T H
. [E] R I G H T H O N O R A B L E H e n
. [R] i e W r i o t h e s l e y,E a r l
. [E] o f S o u t h a m p t o n,a n d B
. a r o n o f T i t c h f i e l d.
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--- "[T] I L
---- [L] I [H]
-- [A] V [E]
- [H] O [N]
- [O.] U [R]
-- [E.] D [Y]
.
. O U {W.}
--- I T {H.}
.
. S O {M}
- E G {r.}
"TLAHOE [sic]" is (for once!) a valid equidistant letter sequence, Art

E.O. HALT
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. Sonnet 89

Say that thou didst forsake me for some fault,
And I will comment upon that offence;
Speak of my lameness, and I straight *WILL HALT* ,
Against thy reasons making no defence.
Thou canst not, love, disgrace me half so ill,
To set a form upon desired *CHANGE*,
As I'll myself disgrace: knowing *THY WILL* ,
I will acquaintance strangle and look *STRANGE*,
Be absent from thy walks, and in my <TONG>ue
Thy sweet beloved name no more shall dwell,
Lest I, too much profane, should do it wrong
And haply of our old acquaintance tell.
For thee against myself I'll vow debate,
For I must ne'er love him whom thou dost hate.
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RAPE OF LUCRECE

"The poor, LAME, blind, *HALT* , creep, cry out for thee;
But they ne'er meet with Opportunity."
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Plutarch: "It is a TRUE proverb, that if you live
with a LAME man you will learn to *HALT* "
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THE TAMING OF THE SHREW ACT II SCENE I

PETRUCHIO: O, let me see thee walk: thou dost not *HALT*
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Lea wrote: <<Merry Christmas, Art!>>

You only said that because Drumpf said it was O.K.

Happy Holidays, Dave.

Art

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