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Grace be{F}ore Glutton.
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Arthur Neuendorffer
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Venus and Adonis (1593)
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T O T H E R I G H T H O N O R A B L E
Henrie Wriothesley, Earle of Southampton,
and Baron of Titchfield.

RIght Honourable, I know not how I shall offend in
dedicating my unpolisht lines to your Lordship, nor
how the worlde Will censure mee for choosing so
strong a proppe to support so Weake a burthen,
onelye if your Honour seeme but pleased, I ac-
count my selfe highly praised,

and vowe to take advantage of all idle houres,

TILL I [H]AV[E] HO[N]OU[R]ED [Y]OU [W.]IT[H.] SO[M]E G[r.]

-AVER LABOUR.

[HENRY W. H. Mr.]
[HENRY W.] 3 : Prob. in V&A [HENRY W.] dedication ~ 1 in 36,000
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AVER, n. [OF. AVER domestic animal, whence LL. AVERia,
pl. cattle. cf. {AVERage}.] A WORKING OX. [Obs. or Dial. Eng.]
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Moby Dick by Herman Melville
Chapter 103: Measurement of The Whale's Skeleton

The largest, a middle one, is in width somet[H]ing less than three
fe[E]t, and in depth more tha[N] four. The smallest, whe[R]e the
spine tapers awa[Y] into the tail, is only t[W.]o inches in width,
and looks something like a white billiard-ball.

[HENRY W.] 19 : shortest skip in MD & KJV.
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"Moore C W The Freemasons Monthly Magazine Vol IV 1845"

GRAND MASTERS, OR PATRONS, OF THE FREE AND ACCEPTED MASONS IN ENGLAND,
from the coming in of the Saxons to the year 1839, Compiled and
condensed from the most authoritative records, by Br. Thomas Joseph
Tennison, President of the Masonic Council of Armagh, Ireland.
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1607: James I., a Brother Mason, Grand Patron by Prerogative, appointed
Inigo Jones, Grand Master of all England, in which capacity he served
for 11 years. His Wardens were M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert the
Earl of Pembroke, & *NICHOLAS STONE*, Esq., who, attended by many
Brothers attired in Craft clothing, walked to White Hall, and laid
the first stone of the Banquetting Hall, with knocks, huzzas,
and sound of trumpets, throwing a purse of gold upon the stone
for the operatives to drink “To the King and Craft!"

1618. [W]illiam [H]erbert , Earl of Pembroke, was chosen Grand Master.
He appointed Inigo Jones his Deputy.
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http://91.1911encyclopedia.org/S/SH/SHAKESPEARE.htm
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<<The Stratford bust & monument must have been erected
on the N. wall. The design in its general aspect was one
often adopted by the "tombe-makers "of the period, and
according to Dugdale was executed by a *Fleming* resident
in London since 1567, Garratt Johnson (Gerard JANssen),
who was occasionally a collaborator with *NICHOLAS STONE*,
Esq., (fellow Freemason Warden with [W]illiam [H]erbert).
.............................................................
. Gerard JANssen / NICK Stone

. Q1 Rossencraft Gilderstone
. Q2 Rosencrans Guyldensterne
. F1 Rosincrane Guildensterne
. F2,3,4 Rosincross(e) Guildenstare

. Rosy Cross Stone Guild
. Rosicrucians Freemasons / the Craft
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WASHINGTON IRVING, 1819 - p.48, Stratford-On-Avon, Sketch Book.
.
<<A flat stone marks the spot where the bard is buried. There
are four lines inscribed on it, said to have been written
by himself, and which have in them something extremely AWFUL.>>
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<<Wm Herbert turned 17 on April 8, 1597, which is quite
. reasonably the time period of the first 17 Sonnets.>>
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[M]r. William SHAKESPE[A|R)ES
COMEDIES, HISTO[R|I)ES, & TRAGEDIES.
Publ[I|S)hed according to t[H(e)] True Originall Co<PIES>
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_________ <= 17 =>

. [M]R. W i l l i a m S (H) A K <E S> P E
. [A|R} E S C o m e d i (E) s,H <I> s t o
. [R|I} e s&T r a g e d (I) e s <P> u b l
. [I|S} h e d a c c o r (D) i n g t o t
. [H(e)]T r u e O r i g (I) n a l l C o
. {P I E S}.
.
[MARI{He}] 17 : Prob. ~ 1 in 4174
(HEIDI) 17 : German form of "ALICE" : "of nobility"
[HIRAM] 17 : Hebrew חירָם "high-born" = 51 = 3 x 17).
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_________ <= 17 =>

. [M]r W H A L L {H} A P P I N E S S E
. [A]N D T H A T {E} T E R N I T I E P
. [R]O M I S E D {B}(Y) O V R E V E R L
. [I]V I N G P O {E}(T) W I S H E T H T
. {H e} W E L L W I (S) H I N G A D V E
. N T V R E R I N S E T T I N G F O
. R T H T T

[MARI{He}] 17 : Prob. ~ 1 in 10,000
(STY) -17
{HEBE} 17
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Lea wrote:

<<The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not appear as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 17 in the above text, Art. Even if it did, it would be utterly unremarkable, as "MARIHE [sic]" is moronic nonsense.>>

"HIRAM" is an important name in Freemasonry
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Lea wrote:

<<To paraphrase Walter Mondale, where's the Abiff, Art?!
"Hiram" without any further identification could be anyone.>>
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And all the way (a horn!) from fiord to fjell his baywinds’ oboboes
shall wail him rockbound (hoahoahoah!) in swimswamswum and all the
livvylong night, the delldale dalppling nig[H]t, the night of bluerybells,
her fl[I]ttaflute in tricky trochees (O CA[R]INA! O CARINA!) wake him.
With her iss[A]van essav{A}ns and her patterjack[M]artins a{B}out all
them inns and ouses. Till{I}ng a teel of a tum, telling a toll o{F}
a teary turty Taubling. Grace be{F}ore Glutton.
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. <= 28 =>
.
. A n d a l l t h e w a y(a h o r n)f r o m f i o r d t o
. f j e l l h i s b a y w i n d s’o b o b o e s s h a l l
. w a i l h i m r o c k b o u n d(h o a h o a h o a h)i n
. s w i m s w a m s w u m a n d a l l t h e l i v v y l o
. n g n i g h t, t h e d e l l d a l e d a l p p l i n g n
. i g [H] t,t h e n i g h t o f b l u e r y b e l l s,h e r
. f l [I] t t a f l u t e i n t r i c k y t r o c h e e s(O
. C A [R] I N A!O C A R I N A) w a k e h i m.W i t h h e r i
. s s [A] v a n e s s a v{A}n s a n d h e r p a t t e r j a
. c k [M] a r t i n s a{B}o u t a l l t h e m i n n s a n d
. o u s e s.T i l l{I}n g a t e e l o f a t u m,t e l l i
. n g a t o l l o{F}a t e a r y t u r t y T a u b l i n g.
. G r a c e b e {F}o r e G l u t t o n.
.
[HIRAM] 28
{ABIFF} 27
.
Prob. of both together in first 138 FW lines ~ 1 in 95,000
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carina_(constellation)

<<*CARINA* is Latin for the keel of a ship. Carina was once a part of Argo Navis,
the great ship of Jason and the Argonauts who searched for the Golden Fleece.>>
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_______ Sonnet 111

O For my sake doe you wish fortune chide,
The guiltie goddesse of my harmfull deeds,
That did not better for my life prouide,
Then publick meanes which publick *MANNERS* breeds.
Then{C}e *COMES* it that *MY NAME* receiues {A} brand,
And almost thence my natu{R}e is subdu'd
To what it workes in, l{I}ke the *DYERS HAND*,
Pitty me then, a{N}d wish *I wERE REnU'DE*,
Whilst like {A} willing pacient I will drinke,
Potions of Eysell gainst my strong infection,
No bitternesse that I will bitter thinke,
Nor double pennance to correct correction.
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. <= 27 =>
.
. T h e n {C} e*C O M E S*i t t h a t*M Y N A M E*r e c e
. i u e s {A} b r a n d,A n d a l m o s t t h e n c e m y
. n a t u {R} e i s s u b d u'd T o w h a t i t w o r k e
. s i n,l {I} k e t h e*D Y E R S H A N D*P i t t y m e t
. h e n,a {N} d w i s h*I w E R E R E n U'D E*W h i l s t
. l i k e {A} w i l l i n g p a c i e n t I w i l l d r i
. n k e,
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. Sonnet 5
.
Sap checkt with frost {A}nd lustie leau's quite gon.
Beauty ore-snow'd and {B}arenes euery where,
Then were not summers dist{I}llation left
A liquid prisoner pent in *Walls o{F} GLASSE*,
Beauties effect with beauty were bere{F}t,
Nor it nor noe remembrance what it was.
But flo{W}ers distil'd though they with winter meete,
Lee{S}e but their show, their substance still liues {SW}eet.
.
{ABIFF: WS} skip 39
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and "MARI He."
is mother of [soon to be Grand] M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert
Lea wrote: <<Want to bet, Art?>>

A bet about:

1) who was the mother of M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert?
2) whether [W]illiam [H]erbert became Grand M(aste)r in 1618?
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. Sweet swan of Avon! what a fight it were
. To see thee in our waters yet appeare,
. And make those flights upon t{He} bankes of Tha[M]es,
. That so did t[A]ke Eliza, and ou[R] James !
. But stay, [I] see thee in the {He}misphere
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_____ <= 13 =>
.
. S w e e t s w a n o f A v
. o n! w h a t a S I G H t i
. t w e r e T O s e E t h e
. e i n o u R w a T e r s y
. e t a p p e a r e, A n d m
. a k e t h o s e f l i g h
. t s u p o n t {H e} B a n k
. e S o f T H a [M]e s, T h a
. T s o d I d t [A]k e E l I
. z a, a N d o u [R]J a m E s!
. B u T s t a y [I]s e e t h
. e E i n t h e {H e} m i s p
. H e r e
.
[MARI{He}] 13 : Prob. (at end) ~ 1 in 1524 (skip < 14)
[MARI{He}]: only 5 times in modern KJV w. skip < 18
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THE LA. [MARI]e {HE}r{BE}rt COUNTESSE OF PEMBROOKE.
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Lea wrote:

<<As above, the string "MARIHE [sic]" *does not appear*
as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 13.>>

"HIRAM" is an important name in Freemasonry and
"MARI He." was mother of [soon to be Grand] M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert
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Terry Ross wrote: <<The emblematic device at the head
of the [*MINERVA* Britanna] title page with its motto:
........................................................
. "{UT} [A]lij[S], me c[ONS]u[M]e"
. ("as you burn I consume myself")
. and its picture of *TWO (Masonic?) LIGHTED CANDLES*.>>

Lea wrote: <<Candles need not be Masonic, Art.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and the same is true of candles.>>
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I'll be a *CANDLE*-holder, and look on. Romeo and Juliet: I, iv
.
So, out went the *CANDLE*, and we were left darkling. King Lear: I, iv
.
The way to dusty death. out, out, brief *CANDLE*! Macbeth: V, v
.
What, must I hold a *CANDLE* to my shames? Merchant of Venice: II, vi
Thus hath the *CANDLE* singed the moth. Merchant of Venice: II, ix
When the moon shone, we did not see the *CANDLE*. Merchant of Venice: V, i
How far that little *CANDLE* throws his beams! Merchant of Venice: V, i
.
Bell, book, and *CANDLE* shall not drive me back, King John: III, iii
.
Time enough to go to bed with a *CANDLE*, I warrant King Henry IV, part I: II, i
.
You whoreson *CANDLE*-mine, you, how vilely did you King Henry IV, part II: II, iv
A wassail *CANDLE*, my lord, all tallow: if I did say King Henry IV, part II: I, ii
What! you are as a *CANDLE*, the better part burnt King Henry IV, part II: I, ii
.
Here burns my *CANDLE* out; ay, here it dies, King Henry VI, part III: II, vi
.
This *CANDLE* burns not clear: 'tis I must snuff it; King Henry VIII: III, ii
.
Seek him with *CANDLE*; bring him dead or living As You Like It: III, i
Than without *CANDLE* may go dark to bed-- As You Like It: III, v
.
With *CANDLE*-wasters; bring him yet to me, Much Ado About Nothing: V, i
.
Of boots that have been *CANDLE*-cases, one buckled, The Taming of the Shrew: III, ii
.
He dares not come there for the *CANDLE*; for, you A Midsummer Night's Dream: V, i

Hand, help me to a *CANDLE*, and pen, ink and paper: Twelfth Night: IV, ii
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Terry Ross wrote: <<The emblematic device at the head
of the [*MINERVA* Britanna] title page with its motto:
........................................................
. "{UT} [A]lij[S], me c[ONS]u[M]e"
. ("as you burn I consume myself")
. and its picture of *TWO (Masonic?) LIGHTED CANDLES*.>>
.
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. (3rd Masonic candle = arm + feather)
.
. "{UT} [A]lij[S], me c[ONS]u[M]e"
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_______ [M-A-S-ONS]: (cui e mel {TU}i)
_______________ (and from your honey)
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_____ {UT} [MASTER M-A-S-ONS]
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___ <= 3 x 7 =>
.
. {U} P o n t h e L i n e s a n d L i f e o f
. {T} H e F a m o u s S c e n i c k e P o e t
.
. [M A S T E R] W I L L I A M S H A K E S P E
. [A] R E T h o s e h a n d s w h i c h y o u
. [S] O c l a p t g o n o w a n d w r i n g Y
. [O] u B r i t a i n e s b r a v e f o r d o
. [N] e a r e S h a k e s p e a r e s d a y e
. [S]

[MASONS] 21 : Prob. at start of poem ~ 1 in 9460
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Art Neuendorffer
nordicskiv2
2018-03-13 01:38:01 UTC
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On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-4, Arthur Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:

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_________ <= 17 =>
. [M]r W H A L L {H} A P P I N E S S E
. [A]N D T H A T {E} T E R N I T I E P
. [R]O M I S E D {B}(Y) O V R E V E R L
. [I]V I N G P O {E}(T) W I S H E T H T
. {H e} W E L L W I (S) H I N G A D V E
. N T V R E R I N S E T T I N G F O
. R T H T T
[MARI{He}] 17 : Prob. ~ 1 in 10,000
(STY) -17
{HEBE} 17
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<<The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not appear as an equidistant letter
sequence of skip 17 in the above text, Art. Even if it did, it would be
utterly unremarkable, as "MARIHE [sic]" is moronic nonsense.>>
"HIRAM" is an important name in Freemasonry
<<To paraphrase Walter Mondale, where's the Abiff, Art?!
"Hiram" without any further identification could be anyone.>>
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. <= 28 =>
.
. A n d a l l t h e w a y(a h o r n)f r o m f i o r d t o
. f j e l l h i s b a y w i n d s’o b o b o e s s h a l l
. w a i l h i m r o c k b o u n d(h o a h o a h o a h)i n
. s w i m s w a m s w u m a n d a l l t h e l i v v y l o
. n g n i g h t, t h e d e l l d a l e d a l p p l i n g n
. i g [H] t,t h e n i g h t o f b l u e r y b e l l s,h e r
. f l [I] t t a f l u t e i n t r i c k y t r o c h e e s(O
. C A [R] I N A!O C A R I N A) w a k e h i m.W i t h h e r i
. s s [A] v a n e s s a v{A}n s a n d h e r p a t t e r j a
. c k [M] a r t i n s a{B}o u t a l l t h e m i n n s a n d
. o u s e s.T i l l{I}n g a t e e l o f a t u m,t e l l i
. n g a t o l l o{F}a t e a r y t u r t y T a u b l i n g.
. G r a c e b e {F}o r e G l u t t o n.
.
[HIRAM] 28
{ABIFF} 27
So? Was there supposed to have been any point to the above effusion of crackpot cryptography, Art? This is a selection from _Finnegans Wake_; it has nothing whateVER to do with Shakespeare.

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. Sonnet 5
.
Sap checkt with frost {A}nd lustie leau's quite gon.
Beauty ore-snow'd and {B}arenes euery where,
Then were not summers dist{I}llation left
A liquid prisoner pent in *Walls o{F} GLASSE*,
Beauties effect with beauty were bere{F}t,
Nor it nor noe remembrance what it was.
But flo{W}ers distil'd though they with winter meete,
Lee{S}e but their show, their substance still liues {SW}eet.
.
{ABIFF: WS} skip 39
S a p c h e c k t w i t h f r o s t{A}nd lustie leau's quite gon.
B e a u t y o r e s n o w'd a n d{B}arenes euery where,
T h e n w e r e n o t s u m m e r s d i s t{I}llation left
A l i q u i d p r i s o n e r p e n t i n W a l l s o{F} GLASSE*,
B e a u t i e s e f f e c t w i t h b e a u t y w e r e b e r e{F}t,
Nor it nor noe remembrance what it was.
But flo{W}ers distil'd though they with winter meete,
Lee{S}e but their show, their substance still liues {SW}eet.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
{ABIFF: WS} skip 39
As you can see -- or would be able to if you could count, at any rate -- the string "ABIFF", although it is short, does *not* appear as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 39 -- or indeed, as an equidistant letter sequence of *any* skip whateVER -- in the above text, Art; it isn't even remotely close!
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
and "MARI He."
is mother of [soon to be Grand] M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert
Lea wrote: <<Want to bet, Art?>>
1) who was the mother of M(aste)r [W]illiam [H]erbert?
2) whether [W]illiam [H]erbert became Grand M(aste)r in 1618?
About whether William Herbert became Grand Master in 1618. Want to bet, Art?

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_____ <= 13 =>
.
. S w e e t s w a n o f A v
. o n! w h a t a S I G H t i
. t w e r e T O s e E t h e
. e i n o u R w a T e r s y
. e t a p p e a r e, A n d m
. a k e t h o s e f l i g h
. t s u p o n t {H e} B a n k
. e S o f T H a [M]e s, T h a
. T s o d I d t [A]k e E l I
. z a, a N d o u [R]J a m E s!
. B u T s t a y [I]s e e t h
. e E i n t h e {H e} m i s p
. H e r e
.
The string "MARIHE [sic]" does not appear as an equidistant letter sequence of skip 13 -- or for that matter, as an equidistant letter sequence of *any* skip whateVER -- in the above text, Art. You still cannot count!

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Terry Ross wrote: <<The emblematic device at the head
........................................................
. "{UT} [A]lij[S], me c[ONS]u[M]e"
. ("as you burn I consume myself")
. and its picture of *TWO (Masonic?) LIGHTED CANDLES*.>>
Lea wrote: <<Candles need not be Masonic, Art.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and the same is true of candles.>>
I'll be a *CANDLE*-holder, and look on. Romeo and Juliet: I, iv
.
So, out went the *CANDLE*, and we were left darkling. King Lear: I, iv
.
The way to dusty death. out, out, brief *CANDLE*! Macbeth: V, v
.
What, must I hold a *CANDLE* to my shames? Merchant of Venice: II, vi
Thus hath the *CANDLE* singed the moth. Merchant of Venice: II, ix
When the moon shone, we did not see the *CANDLE*. Merchant of Venice: V, i
How far that little *CANDLE* throws his beams! Merchant of Venice: V, i
.
Bell, book, and *CANDLE* shall not drive me back, King John: III, iii
.
Time enough to go to bed with a *CANDLE*, I warrant King Henry IV, part I: II, i
.
You whoreson *CANDLE*-mine, you, how vilely did you King Henry IV, part II: II, iv
A wassail *CANDLE*, my lord, all tallow: if I did say King Henry IV, part II: I, ii
What! you are as a *CANDLE*, the better part burnt King Henry IV, part II: I, ii
.
Here burns my *CANDLE* out; ay, here it dies, King Henry VI, part III: II, vi
.
This *CANDLE* burns not clear: 'tis I must snuff it; King Henry VIII: III, ii
.
Seek him with *CANDLE*; bring him dead or living As You Like It: III, i
Than without *CANDLE* may go dark to bed-- As You Like It: III, v
.
With *CANDLE*-wasters; bring him yet to me, Much Ado About Nothing: V, i
.
Of boots that have been *CANDLE*-cases, one buckled, The Taming of the Shrew: III, ii
.
He dares not come there for the *CANDLE*; for, you A Midsummer Night's Dream: V, i
Hand, help me to a *CANDLE*, and pen, ink and paper: Twelfth Night: IV, ii
Was there supposed to have been any point to the above effusion of asinine anthologizing, Art? Anyone conVERsant with the English language -- I regret that that excludes you, Art, but it just cannot be helped -- and with Shakespeare knows VERy well that Shakespeare, like most users of English, uses the word candle frequently, so its appearance is utterly unremarkable -- except, of course, to someone illiterate in English who is unfamiliar with the word.

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Art Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter)
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