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an Agony, in Eight Fits
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Arthur Neuendorffer
2018-03-06 21:35:28 UTC
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THE HUNTING OF THE SNARK an Agony, in Eight Fits.
BY LEWIS CARROLL

WITH NINE ILLUSTRATIONS BY HENRY HOLIDAY
London MACMILLAN AND CO. 1876.
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{P}REFACE: {I}f—and th{E} thing i{S} wild[L]y possible—the charg[E] of writing nonsense [W]ere ever brought aga[I]nst the author of thi[S] brief but instructive poem, it would be based, I feel convinced, on the line

“Then the bowsprit got mixed with the rudder sometimes.”

If—and the thing is wild[L]y possible—the charg[E] o{F} writing nonsense [W]e{R}e ever brought aga[I]n{S}t the author of thi[S] brief but instructive {P}oem, it would be based, {I} feel convinced, on th{E} line

“Then the bowsprit got mixed with the rudder sometimes.”
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. {P}R E F A C E{I} f— a n d t h{E}t h i
. n g i{S}w i l d [L] y p o s s i b l e—
. t h e c h a r g [E] o {F} w r i t i n g
. n o n s e n s e [W] e {R} e e v e r b r
. o u g h t a g a [I] n {S} t t h e a u t
. h o r o f t h i [S] b r i e f b u t i
. n s t r u c t i v e {P} o e m,i t w o
. u l d b e b a s e d,{I} f e e l c o n
. v i n c e d,o n t h {E} l i n e“T h e
. n t h e b o w s p r i t g o t m i x
. e d w i t h t h e r u d d e r s o m
. e t i m e s.”
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The crew was complete: it included a Boots—
A maker of Bonnets and Hoods—
A Barrister, brought to arrange their dispute{S}—
A{N}d {A} B{R}o{K}er, to value their goods.
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“Some ar(E) Boojums—” (T)he Bellm(A)n broke o(F)f in al(A)rm,
For (T)he Bak(E)r had fainted away.
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. “S o m e
. a r (E) B o o j
. u m s (T) h e B
. e l l m (A) n b
. r o k e o (F) f
. i n a l (A) r m,
. F o r (T) h e B
. a k (E) r h a d
. f a i n t e d
. a w a y.
.
(FATE) 8,-6
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“It is this, it is this that opp(R)esses my so(U)l,
When I thi(N)k of my uncl(E)’s last word(S):
And my heart is like nothing so much as a bowl
Brimming over with quivering curds!

(RUNES) 10
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But the principal failing occurred in the sailing,
And the Bellman, perplexed and distressed,
Said he had hoped, at least, w{H}en the wind blew (D)u(E) E(A)s(T),
{T}(H)at the ship would not tr{A}vel due West!

But the dang{E}r was past—they had lande{D} at la(S)t,
Wi(T)h th(E)ir b(O)xes, (P)ortmanteaus, and bags:
Yet at first sight the crew were not pleased with the view,
Which consisted of chasms and crags.
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. <= 20 =>
.
. B u t t h e p r i n c i p a l f a i l i
. n g o c c u r r e d i n t h e s a i l i n
. g,A n d t h e B e l l m a n, p e r p l e x
. e d a n d d i s t r e s s e d, S a i d h e
. h a d h o p e d,a t l e a s t, w {H} e n t h
. e w i n d b l e w (D) u (E) E (A) s (T){T}(H) a t t
. h e s h i p w o u l d n o t t r {A} v e l d
. u e W e s t!B u t t h e d a n g {E} r w a s
. p a s t—t h e y h a d l a n d e {D} a t l a
. (S)t,W i(T)h t h(E) i r b (O) x e s,(P) o r t m
. a n t e a u s,a n d b a g s:
.
(DEATH) 2
(POETS) -4
{DEATH} -20
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He thought of his childhood, left far far behind—
That blissful an[D] innocent state—
The sound so [E]xactly recalled to his mind
[A] pencil that squeaks on a sla[T]e!

“’Tis the voice of the Jubjub!” [H]e suddenly cried.
(This man, that they used to call “Dunce.”)
“As the Bellman would tell you,” he added with pride,
“I have uttere[D] that sentiment once.

“’Tis the not[E] of the Jubjub! Keep count, I entre[A]t;
You will find I have told it you [T]wice.
’Tis the song of the Jubjub! T[H]e proof is complete,
If only I’ve stated it thrice.”
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. <= 25 =>
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. T h a t b l i s s f u l a n[D]i n n o c e n t s t
. a t e—T h e s o u n d s o[E]x a c t l y r e c a l
. l e d t o h i s m i n d[A]p e n c i l t h a t s q
. u e a k s o n a s l a[T]e!T i s t h e v o i c e o
. f t h e J u b j u b[H]e s u d d e n l y c r i e d.
. (T h i s m a n,t h a t t h e y u s e d t o c a l l
. “D u n c e”A s t h e B e l l m a n w o u l d t e l
. l y o u”h e a d d e d w i t h p r i d e“I h a v e
. u t t e r e[D]t h a t s e n t i m e n t o n c e“T
. i s t h e n o t[E]o f t h e J u b j u b!K e e p c
. o u n t,I e n t r e[A]t;Y o u w i l l f i n d I h
. a v e t o l d i t y o u[T]w i c e’T i s t h e s o
. n g o f t h e J u b j u b!T[H]e p r o o f i s c o
. m p l e t e,I f o n l y I’v e s t a t e d i t t h
. r i c e.”
.
[DEATH] 24,27
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To the horr{O}r o[F] all wh[O] {W}ere p[R]esen{T} [T]hat da[Y].
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. <= 6 =>
.
. T o t h
. e h o r r {O}
. r o [F] a l l
. w h [O]{W} e r
. e p [R] e s e
. n {T}[T] h a t
. d a [Y].
.
[FORTY] 6
{TWO} -10
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They hunted till darkness came on, but they found
Not a button, or feather, or mark,
By which they could tell that they stood on the ground
Where the Baker had met with th{E} [S]nark.

In the midst of the word he was t{R|Y]ing to say,
In the midst of his laught{E|R] and glee,
He had softly and suddenly {V|A]nished away—
For the Snark was a Booju[M], you see.
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. <= 31 =>
.
. W h e r e t h e B a k e r h a d m e t w i t h t h {E}[S] n a r k.
. I n t h e m i d s t o f t h e w o r d h e w a s t {R}[Y] i n g t
. o s a y,I n t h e m i d s t o f h i s l a u g h t {E}[R] a n d g
. l e e,H e h a d s o f t l y a n d s u d d e n l y {V}[A] n i s h
. e d a w a y—F o r t h e S n a r k w a s a B o o j u [M],y o u s
. e e.

[MARY S.] -31
{VERE} -31
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. _Shakespeares POEMS_ (1640) - *I.BENSON*
http://www.library.upenn.edu/etext/furness/poems/00a.html

TO THE READ[E]R. The[R]e presu{M|E] (under f{A|V]our)
to p{R|E]sent to {Y|O]ur view {S|o]me excel[L]ent
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. T O T H E R [E] A
. D E R T H e [R] e
. p r e s u {M|E] u
. n d e r f {A|V] o
. u r t o p {R|E] s
. e n t t o {Y|O] u
. r v i e w {S|o] m
. e e x c e l [L] e
. n t a n d s w e
. e t e l y c o m
. p o s e d P o e
. m s
.
{MARY S.} 8
[Lo. O., E. VERE] 8
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and sweetely composed Poems, of Master William Shakespeare, Which
in themselves appeare of the same purity, the *AUTHOUR* himselfe then
living avouched ; they had not the fortune by reason of their Infancie
in his death to have the due accomodatio of proportionable glory with
the rest of his *EVER-living* Workes, yet the lines of themselves will
afford you a more authentick approbation than my assurance any way
can, to invite your allowance, in your perusall you shall find them
Seren, cleere and eligantly plaine, such gentle straines as shall
recreate and not perplexe your braine, no intricate or cloudy stuffe
to puzzell intellect, but perfect eloquence ; such as will raise your
admiration to his praise: this assurance I know will not differ from
your acknowledgment. And certaine I am, my opinion will be seconded
by the sufficiency of these ensuing lines ; I have beene somewhat
solicitus to bring this forth to the perfect view of all men ;
and in so doing glad to be serviceable for the continuance
of *GLORY* to th*E DEsERVED* AUTHOR in these his poems. - I. B.
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__ *E DE(s)ERVED* ____ *DE(s)ERVED* AUTHOR
__ *ED DE VERE* ______ *ED D(e) VERE* AUTHOR
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How much more pRAIS*E DESERVED* thy beauty's use, Sonnets: II
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Art Neuendorffer
nordicskiv2
2018-03-07 02:37:28 UTC
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On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:35:30 PM UTC-5, Arthur Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:

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. <= 7 =>
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. “S o m e
. a r (E) B o o j
. u m s (T) h e B
. e l l m (A) n b
. r o k e o (F) f
. i n a l (A) r m,
. F o r (T) h e B
. a k (E) r h a d
. f a i n t e d
. a w a y.
.
(FATE) 8,-6
INIPNC score zero, Art.
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“It is this, it is this that opp(R)esses my so(U)l,
And my heart is like nothing so much as a bowl
Brimming over with quivering curds!
(RUNES) 10
INIPNC score zero, Art.

[Lunatic logorrhea snipped]
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. <= 20 =>
.
. B u t t h e p r i n c i p a l f a i l i
. n g o c c u r r e d i n t h e s a i l i n
. g,A n d t h e B e l l m a n, p e r p l e x
. e d a n d d i s t r e s s e d, S a i d h e
. h a d h o p e d,a t l e a s t, w {H} e n t h
. e w i n d b l e w (D) u (E) E (A) s (T){T}(H) a t t
. h e s h i p w o u l d n o t t r {A} v e l d
. u e W e s t!B u t t h e d a n g {E} r w a s
. p a s t—t h e y h a d l a n d e {D} a t l a
. (S)t,W i(T)h t h(E) i r b (O) x e s,(P) o r t m
.
(DEATH) 2
INIPNC score zero, Art.
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(POETS) -4
INIPNC score zero, Art.
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{DEATH} -20
INIPNC score zero, Art.

[Lunatic logorrhea snipped]
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. <= 25 =>
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. T h a t b l i s s f u l a n[D]i n n o c e n t s t
. a t e—T h e s o u n d s o[E]x a c t l y r e c a l
. l e d t o h i s m i n d[A]p e n c i l t h a t s q
. u e a k s o n a s l a[T]e!T i s t h e v o i c e o
. f t h e J u b j u b[H]e s u d d e n l y c r i e d.
. (T h i s m a n,t h a t t h e y u s e d t o c a l l
. “D u n c e”A s t h e B e l l m a n w o u l d t e l
. l y o u”h e a d d e d w i t h p r i d e“I h a v e
. u t t e r e[D]t h a t s e n t i m e n t o n c e“T
. i s t h e n o t[E]o f t h e J u b j u b!K e e p c
. o u n t,I e n t r e[A]t;Y o u w i l l f i n d I h
. a v e t o l d i t y o u[T]w i c e’T i s t h e s o
. n g o f t h e J u b j u b!T[H]e p r o o f i s c o
. m p l e t e,I f o n l y I’v e s t a t e d i t t h
. r i c e.”
.
[DEATH] 24,27
INIPNC score zero, Art.
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. <= 6 =>
.
. T o t h
. e h o r r {O}
. r o [F] a l l
. w h [O]{W} e r
. e p [R] e s e
. n {T}[T] h a t
. d a [Y].
.
[FORTY] 6
INIPNC score zero, Art.
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{TWO} -10
INIPNC score zero, Art.

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__ *E DE(s)ERVED* ____ *DE(s)ERVED* AUTHOR
__ *ED DE VERE* ______ *ED D(e) VERE* AUTHOR
That's not an anagram, Art.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
How much more pRAIS*E DESERVED* thy beauty's use, Sonnets: II
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Art Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter)
Arthur Neuendorffer
2018-03-07 04:20:02 UTC
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
. <= 7 =>
.
. “S o m e
. a r (E) B o o j
. u m s (T) h e B
. e l l m (A) n b
. r o k e o (F) f
. i n a l (A) r m,
. F o r (T) h e B
. a k (E) r h a d
. f a i n t e d
. a w a y.
.
(FATE) 8,-6
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
“It is this, it is this that opp(R)esses my so(U)l,
And my heart is like nothing so much as a bowl
Brimming over with quivering curds!
(RUNES) 10
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
. <= 20 =>
.
. B u t t h e p r i n c i p a l f a i l i
. n g o c c u r r e d i n t h e s a i l i n
. g,A n d t h e B e l l m a n, p e r p l e x
. e d a n d d i s t r e s s e d, S a i d h e
. h a d h o p e d,a t l e a s t, w {H} e n t h
. e w i n d b l e w (D) u (E) E (A) s (T){T}(H) a t t
. h e s h i p w o u l d n o t t r {A} v e l d
. u e W e s t!B u t t h e d a n g {E} r w a s
. p a s t—t h e y h a d l a n d e {D} a t l a
. (S)t,W i(T)h t h(E) i r b (O) x e s,(P) o r t m
.
(DEATH) 2
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
(POETS) -4
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
{DEATH} -20
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
. <= 25 =>
.
. T h a t b l i s s f u l a n[D]i n n o c e n t s t
. a t e—T h e s o u n d s o[E]x a c t l y r e c a l
. l e d t o h i s m i n d[A]p e n c i l t h a t s q
. u e a k s o n a s l a[T]e!T i s t h e v o i c e o
. f t h e J u b j u b[H]e s u d d e n l y c r i e d.
. (T h i s m a n,t h a t t h e y u s e d t o c a l l
. “D u n c e”A s t h e B e l l m a n w o u l d t e l
. l y o u”h e a d d e d w i t h p r i d e“I h a v e
. u t t e r e[D]t h a t s e n t i m e n t o n c e“T
. i s t h e n o t[E]o f t h e J u b j u b!K e e p c
. o u n t,I e n t r e[A]t;Y o u w i l l f i n d I h
. a v e t o l d i t y o u[T]w i c e’T i s t h e s o
. n g o f t h e J u b j u b!T[H]e p r o o f i s c o
. m p l e t e,I f o n l y I’v e s t a t e d i t t h
. r i c e.”
.
[DEATH] 24,27
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
. <= 6 =>
.
. T o t h
. e h o r r {O}
. r o [F] a l l
. w h [O]{W} e r
. e p [R] e s e
. n {T}[T] h a t
. d a [Y].
.
[FORTY] 6
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
-----------------------------------------------------
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
{TWO} -10
INIPNC score zero, Art.

Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>

INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.

Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
my ELS's are the antithesis of anagrams.
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Final 2 stanzas:

They hunted till darkness came on, but they found
Not a button, or feather, or mark,
By which they could tell that they stood on the ground
Where the Baker had met with th{E} [S]nark.
In the midst of the word he was t{R|Y]ing to say,
In the midst of his laught{E|R] and glee,
He had softly and suddenly {V|A]nished away—
For the Snark was a Booju[M], you see.
.......................................................
. <= 31 =>
.
. W h e r e t h e B a k e r h a d m e t w i t h t h {E}[S] n a r k.
. I n t h e m i d s t o f t h e w o r d h e w a s t {R}[Y] i n g t
. o s a y,I n t h e m i d s t o f h i s l a u g h t {E}[R] a n d g
. l e e,H e h a d s o f t l y a n d s u d d e n l y {V}[A] n i s h
. e d a w a y—F o r t h e S n a r k w a s a B o o j u [M],y o u s
. e e.
.
[MARY S.] -31
{VERE} -31 : Prob. of both in last 2 stanzas ~ 1,400,000
[No 'VM' only one 'VA' and one 'RY']
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. _Shakespeares POEMS_ (1640) - *I.BENSON*
http://www.library.upenn.edu/etext/furness/poems/00a.html

TO THE READ[E]R. The[R]e presu{M|E] (under f{A|V]our)
to p{R|E]sent to {Y|O]ur view {S|o]me excel[L]ent
.....................................................
____ <= 8 =>

. T O T H E R [E] A
. D E R T H e [R] e
. p r e s u {M|E] u
. n d e r f {A|V] o
. u r t o p {R|E] s
. e n t t o {Y|O] u
. r v i e w {S|o] m
. e e x c e l [L] e
. n t a n d s w e
. e t e l y c o m
. p o s e d P o e
. m s
.
{MARY S.} 8
[Lo. O., E. VERE] 8
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and sweetely composed Poems, of Master William Shakespeare, Which
in themselves appeare of the same purity, the *AUTHOUR* himselfe then
living avouched ; they had not the fortune by reason of their Infancie
in his death to have the due accomodatio of proportionable glory with
the rest of his *EVER-living* Workes, yet the lines of themselves will
afford you a more authentick approbation than my assurance any way
can, to invite your allowance, in your perusall you shall find them
Seren, cleere and eligantly plaine, such gentle straines as shall
recreate and not perplexe your braine, no intricate or cloudy stuffe
to puzzell intellect, but perfect eloquence ; such as will raise your
admiration to his praise: this assurance I know will not differ from
your acknowledgment. And certaine I am, my opinion will be seconded
by the sufficiency of these ensuing lines ; I have beene somewhat
solicitus to bring this forth to the perfect view of all men ;
and in so doing glad to be serviceable for the continuance
of *GLORY* to th*E DEsERVED* AUTHOR in these his poems. - I. B.
.........................................................
__ *E DE(s)ERVED* ____ *DE(s)ERVED* AUTHOR
__ *ED DE VERE* ______ *ED D(e) VERE* AUTHOR
............................................................
How much more pRAIS*E DESERVED* thy beauty's use, Sonnets: II
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Lea wrote: <<That's not an anagram, Art.>>

It's HIGHLY suggestive, nonetheless.
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Art Neuendorffer
nordicskiv2
2018-03-07 16:04:21 UTC
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
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. <= 7 =>
.
. “S o m e
. a r (E) B o o j
. u m s (T) h e B
. e l l m (A) n b
. r o k e o (F) f
. i n a l (A) r m,
. F o r (T) h e B
. a k (E) r h a d
. f a i n t e d
. a w a y.
.
(FATE) 8,-6
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>
INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.
But Art -- most of your "anagrams" are *not even anagrams*!
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
Though this be method, yet there is madness in't.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
The fact that your "method" differs from that of Rollett ought to give you pause, Art.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
my ELS's [sic] are the antithesis of anagrams.
Your "anagrams" are the antithesis of anagrams, Art -- and your "equidistant letter sequences" are the antithesis of equidistant letter sequences!
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
“It is this, it is this that opp(R)esses my so(U)l,
And my heart is like nothing so much as a bowl
Brimming over with quivering curds!
(RUNES) 10
Lea wrote: <<INIPNC score zero, Art.>>
INIPNC scores *ONLY* apply to anagrams.
But Art -- most of your "anagrams" are *not even anagrams*!
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Since I base my ELS statistics on the available letters
Though this be method, yet there is madness in't -- in fact, the madness predominates!
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
and not some standard set of letters (as Rollett does)
The fact that your "method" differs from that of Rollett ought to give you pause, Art.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
my ELS's [sic] are the antithesis of anagrams.
Your "anagrams" are the antithesis of anagrams, Art -- and your "equidistant letter sequences" are the antithesis of equidistant letter sequences! And, for the sake of completeness, your "arguments" are the antithesis of arguments.

[Much more crackpot cryptography snipped]
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
__ *E DE(s)ERVED* ____ *DE(s)ERVED* AUTHOR
__ *ED DE VERE* ______ *ED D(e) VERE* AUTHOR
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How much more pRAIS*E DESERVED* thy beauty's use, Sonnets: II
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Lea wrote: <<That's not an anagram, Art.>>
It's HIGHLY suggestive,
It's more than highly suggestive, Art -- it conclusively suggests that you can neither read nor count, although there is copious independent evidence for both conclusions.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
nonetheless.
Don't you mean "neVERtheless", Art?
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
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Art Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter)
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