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The Sketch Book of Geoffrey Crayon, Gent.
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Arthur Neuendorffer
2021-05-20 02:29:19 UTC
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Peter Nockolds wrote:

<<The Washington Irving ELS is promising. Well done.>>

You should read the whole thing: https://www.bartleby.com/109/6.html
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. Henry IV, Part 1 (Q1, 1598) Act I, scene iii
.
EARL OF WORCESTER: Peace coosen, say no more.
. And now *I WILL UNCLASPE a SECRET BOO{K}E* ,
. And to your quicke conce{I}uing discontents
. Ile rea{D|E] you matter deepe and daun[G]erous,
. As full of perill an[D] aduenterous spirit,
. As to [O]rewalke a Current roring [L]owd,
. On the vnstedfast foo[T]ing of a *SPEARE*.
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. . . . . . . . . . . . <= 22 =>

. *U N C L A S P E a S E C R E T B O O {K} E* A n
. .d t o y o u r q u i c k e c o n c e {I} u. i n
. .g d i s c o n t e n t s I l e r e a {D}[E] y o
. .u m a t t e r d e e p e a n d d a u. n [G] e r
. .o u s,A s f u l l o f p e r i l l a. n [D] a d
. .u e n t e r o u s s p i r i t,A s t. o [O] r e
. .w a l k e a C u r r e n t r o r i n. g [L] o w
. .d,O n t h e v n s t e d f a s t f o. o [T] i n
. .g o f a*S P E A R E*.

{KID}. . . 22 : Or sporting {KID}, or Marlowes mighty line.
[T.LODGE] -22 (one of 6 *SPEARE*s) (only *SECRET BOOKE*)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sketch_Book_of_Geoffrey_Crayon,_Gent.

<<The Sketch Book of Geoffrey Crayon, Gent., is a collection of 34 essays and short stories written by the American author Washington Irving. It was published serially throughout 1819 and 1820. The collection includes two of Irving's best-known stories, attributed to the fictional Dutch historian Diedrich Knickerbocker: "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" and "Rip Van Winkle". It also marks Irving's first use of the pseudonym Geoffrey Crayon, which he would continue to employ throughout his literary career.>>
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Neufer wrote:

<<However, one literally can go crazy throwing out ideas for 25+ years
without *anyone* responding (with either positive or negative responses)>>

Peter Nockolds wrote:

<<You should try to work out why people don't respond,
so you don't go crazy. I'll write more tomorrow.>>

My late Aunt Ruth Neuendorffer (a liberal FDR supporter who
grew up just a half a block away from Sleepy Hollow cemetery)

visited her relatives in Germany in the '30's and
was flummoxed that so many of those relatives
thought that Hitler was a *great* leader.
......................................................
I haven't gone crazy (thus far) but if I were to spend
any time trying to figure out why apparently decent people
were attracted to the likes of Hitler, Putin, & Trump
then I certainly *would* go crazy!

In retrospect: whether folks give a damn (of not)
. about my cipher musings hardly matters at all.
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Art N.
Peter Nockolds
2021-05-20 11:37:21 UTC
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
<<The Washington Irving ELS is promising. Well done.>>
You should read the whole thing: https://www.bartleby.com/109/6.html
-----------------------------------------------------
. Henry IV, Part 1 (Q1, 1598) Act I, scene iii
.
EARL OF WORCESTER: Peace coosen, say no more.
. And now *I WILL UNCLASPE a SECRET BOO{K}E* ,
. And to your quicke conce{I}uing discontents
. Ile rea{D|E] you matter deepe and daun[G]erous,
. As full of perill an[D] aduenterous spirit,
. As to [O]rewalke a Current roring [L]owd,
. On the vnstedfast foo[T]ing of a *SPEARE*.
....................................................
. . . . . . . . . . . . <= 22 =>
. *U N C L A S P E a S E C R E T B O O {K} E* A n
. .d t o y o u r q u i c k e c o n c e {I} u. i n
. .g d i s c o n t e n t s I l e r e a {D}[E] y o
. .u m a t t e r d e e p e a n d d a u. n [G] e r
. .o u s,A s f u l l o f p e r i l l a. n [D] a d
. .u e n t e r o u s s p i r i t,A s t. o [O] r e
. .w a l k e a C u r r e n t r o r i n. g [L] o w
. .d,O n t h e v n s t e d f a s t f o. o [T] i n
. .g o f a*S P E A R E*.
{KID}. . . 22 : Or sporting {KID}, or Marlowes mighty line.
[T.LODGE] -22 (one of 6 *SPEARE*s) (only *SECRET BOOKE*)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sketch_Book_of_Geoffrey_Crayon,_Gent.
<<The Sketch Book of Geoffrey Crayon, Gent., is a collection of 34 essays and short stories written by the American author Washington Irving. It was published serially throughout 1819 and 1820. The collection includes two of Irving's best-known stories, attributed to the fictional Dutch historian Diedrich Knickerbocker: "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" and "Rip Van Winkle". It also marks Irving's first use of the pseudonym Geoffrey Crayon, which he would continue to employ throughout his literary career.>>
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<<However, one literally can go crazy throwing out ideas for 25+ years
without *anyone* responding (with either positive or negative responses)>>
<<You should try to work out why people don't respond,
so you don't go crazy. I'll write more tomorrow.>>
My late Aunt Ruth Neuendorffer (a liberal FDR supporter who
grew up just a half a block away from Sleepy Hollow cemetery)
visited her relatives in Germany in the '30's and
was flummoxed that so many of those relatives
thought that Hitler was a *great* leader.
......................................................
I haven't gone crazy (thus far) but if I were to spend
any time trying to figure out why apparently decent people
were attracted to the likes of Hitler, Putin, & Trump
then I certainly *would* go crazy!
In retrospect: whether folks give a damn (of not)
. about my cipher musings hardly matters at all.
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Art N.
Art

I might have assisted your aunt. Hitler gave them stability, rising living standards after the economic problems of the twenties and the crash, and restored a sense of pride after the humiliations of Versailles. Most people want material security before civil liberties. Having witnessed the response of the UK population to government policy during the pandemic that applies in Britain too. Now I understand how Hitler came to power, the way all dictators do: frighten the people so that they are happy to give up their freedom.

I have not been in the USA so can't judge Trump from that point of view but I understand that he was pretty popular before the pandemic. From a European perspective he was what I had hoped, his administration proved less bellicose than the previous administrations this century who started or fomented wars/coups in Iraq, Libya and Syria, all of which have had very negative consequences for Europe and may have pushed the UK towards Brexit. Yes I find Trump vulgar, I think just about everyone in the UK does, but I saw beyond the style. I was pleased when he was elected because IMO the previous administration had fomented a coup in Ukraine - they might have achieved their objectives better if they had let Yanukovitch see out his term of office - and at the time had only been thinking of things from a Russian perspective but from a wider perspective it was indeed quite a peaceful presidency. Whether this was at the cost of storing up future problems, in Palestine for example, is another matter. I'm not partisan in my politics and don't tend to fall out with people over matters of politics. I do become a bit more conservative as I grow older believing that you need to work with the grain of human nature rather than trying to create a new human being.

On the question of your ELS I was at a seminar once and presented some evidence that numbers of the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser the Third didn't refer to military conquests, as appeared, but to astronomical cycles. An academic in the audience dismissed it saying that there are hundreds of such inscriptions. I missed the proper reply which was that I had sampled only two, the two I was most likely to come across living near the British Museum. When I subsequently sampled more I found that they also appeared to contain astronomical information. Presumably you put forward the Washington Irving inscription as your best example. But I and everyone else who has seen your posts will know that you have sampled many hundreds if not several thousands of such passages. If you do statistics properly you'd show your sample size.

One reason I am not presently studying dates in literature or 23 1/2 degree angles in paintings is that whilst I have an idea of my sample size I'd be unable to demonstrate this to others. It's okay if you are an archeo-astronomer and study the orientation of every stone circle or pre-reformation church in a delimited geographic area but I'd find it hard to show my sample size.

Peter

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