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Can anyone do anything about Art?
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Peter Nockolds
2021-05-16 18:20:51 UTC
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If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned

1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.

If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.

If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.

Isn't there anything that can be done?

Peter
John W Kennedy
2021-05-16 19:38:23 UTC
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Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?
No. Network News was not designed to be moderated in the first place.
Moderated forums were invented fairly late, and are required to be
moderated from the beginning. And Network News is a dying technology
already; this forum used to get 100 posts a day. You are not going to
have a dozen programs for half a dozen operating systems getting a
fundamental architectural change at this stage. If you want to block
Art, get yourself a newsreader that can block.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Peter Nockolds
2021-05-16 20:09:02 UTC
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Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?
No. Network News was not designed to be moderated in the first place.
Moderated forums were invented fairly late, and are required to be
moderated from the beginning. And Network News is a dying technology
already; this forum used to get 100 posts a day. You are not going to
have a dozen programs for half a dozen operating systems getting a
fundamental architectural change at this stage. If you want to block
Art, get yourself a newsreader that can block.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know how to do that, and I'm not asking you to explain. As the technology is dying it's hardly worth the effort of finding out.

Am I right to assume that some of the others who post here have blocked Art's posts?

Peter
John W Kennedy
2021-05-16 21:16:03 UTC
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Post by Peter Nockolds
Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?
No. Network News was not designed to be moderated in the first place.
Moderated forums were invented fairly late, and are required to be
moderated from the beginning. And Network News is a dying technology
already; this forum used to get 100 posts a day. You are not going to
have a dozen programs for half a dozen operating systems getting a
fundamental architectural change at this stage. If you want to block
Art, get yourself a newsreader that can block.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know how to do that, and I'm not asking you to explain. As the technology is dying it's hardly worth the effort of finding out.
Am I right to assume that some of the others who post here have blocked Art's posts?
God knows I have.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Donald Cameron
2021-05-17 02:54:25 UTC
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On Sun, 16 May 2021 13:09:02 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nockolds
Post by Peter Nockolds
Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?
No. Network News was not designed to be moderated in the first place.
Moderated forums were invented fairly late, and are required to be
moderated from the beginning. And Network News is a dying technology
already; this forum used to get 100 posts a day. You are not going to
have a dozen programs for half a dozen operating systems getting a
fundamental architectural change at this stage. If you want to block
Art, get yourself a newsreader that can block.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know how to do that, and I'm not asking you to explain. As the technology is dying it's hardly worth the effort of finding out.
Am I right to assume that some of the others who post here have blocked Art's posts?
Peter
From the long history of Art's posts, one learns that he has been into
lots of areas, including those about authorship attribution, ciphers,
reverse speech, and various links to Masonry and such; so he's far
outdistanced readers and does his own thing now. But he's made many
contributions over the years about a subject that has been thoroughly
debated, dispute plays not published in Shakespeare's own name.

If you could get him up to it, Art could probably do a creditable job
advancing evidence for deVere as author.
Peter Nockolds
2021-05-17 14:03:46 UTC
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Post by Donald Cameron
On Sun, 16 May 2021 13:09:02 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nockolds
Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?
No. Network News was not designed to be moderated in the first place.
Moderated forums were invented fairly late, and are required to be
moderated from the beginning. And Network News is a dying technology
already; this forum used to get 100 posts a day. You are not going to
have a dozen programs for half a dozen operating systems getting a
fundamental architectural change at this stage. If you want to block
Art, get yourself a newsreader that can block.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know how to do that, and I'm not asking you to explain. As the technology is dying it's hardly worth the effort of finding out.
Am I right to assume that some of the others who post here have blocked Art's posts?
Peter
From the long history of Art's posts, one learns that he has been into
lots of areas, including those about authorship attribution, ciphers,
reverse speech, and various links to Masonry and such; so he's far
outdistanced readers and does his own thing now. But he's made many
contributions over the years about a subject that has been thoroughly
debated, dispute plays not published in Shakespeare's own name.
If you could get him up to it, Art could probably do a creditable job
advancing evidence for deVere as author.
I only ever drop in occasionally to this site, I guess others have trouble blocking Art because I've seen others complain about the volume of his posts. As an occasional visitor to this site it doesn't bother me very much that he makes so many posts, I'm more curious as to why he is allowed to do so and whether his posts are the main reason for the decline of this site.

While virtually all of the ELS's he comes up with seem to me unlikely to be significant I nonetheless think he has some interesting things to say. I did find one of them very interesting, namely POETS 63 skip at the end of Ben Jonson's dedicatory poem in the First Folio. That's because I know that 63 has been considered an important symbolic number by several authors. It led me to some interesting, but I suspect never to be published findings of my own. Art also introduced me to Bible Code software, for which I'm grateful. He also introduced me to the idea that Edward de Vere did not die in 1604. When I finally hit on some cipher evidence which, in a moment, turned me from a strongly Stratfordian-leaning individual to an even stronger Oxford-leaning individual, I was only able to accept it because I could accept that Oxford did not die in 1604. So I've much to be grateful for to Art.

Unfortunately he took exception to the fact that I spend half of my time in Russia and when I told him that I was critical of US policy towards Russia and thought that Trump as President might ameliorate things, which I think turned out to be the case, he cancelled me. I don't fall out with people over politics and would be perfectly happy to agree to differ. However without any evidence he seems to think that I'm in the paid employ of the Russian government when I simply have a Russian girlfriend and enjoy the cultural life in Moscow. It's a bit sad. Does Art have a history of falling out with those who might put in a good word for him?

Sorry if this is airing personal stuff here, but it was in fact Art who first revealed my identity here.

Peter
Arthur Neuendorffer
2021-05-18 13:19:22 UTC
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Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?

Peter Nockolds
2021-05-19 22:16:01 UTC
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?
http://youtu.be/M4jR_9-YPK8
Very funny. I had to go out demonstrating twice, in London, because of his tweets over gas attacks in Syria. Fortunately the missiles which were fired were a waste of money. But I think of Trump's tweets in rather the same way as Art's posts here, often seemingly crazy, but sometimes saying things of value.
marc hanson
2021-05-22 19:07:31 UTC
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Post by Peter Nockolds
If this were a moderated group Art Neuendorffer would be warned
1 to limit the number of threads which he initiates
2 Not to go off topic, eg.discuss politics
3 Not to use foul and abusive language.
If he didn't conform he would be blocked or banned.
If he wants to do any of those things he can set up his private blog.
Isn't there anything that can be done?
http://youtu.be/M4jR_9-YPK8
Very funny. I had to go out demonstrating twice, in London, because of his tweets over gas attacks in Syria. Fortunately the missiles which were fired were a waste of money. But I think of Trump's tweets in rather the same way as Art's posts here, often seemingly crazy, but sometimes saying things of value..
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