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How do I request removal of content from this site
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hreget
2021-05-28 12:51:23 UTC
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I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?

My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts

Thanks for any help.

Peter Nockolds
Arthur Neuendorffer
2021-05-28 17:26:59 UTC
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Peter Nockolds wrote:

<<I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach? My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts.
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Have you tried asking:

1) FSB:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service

2) DarkSide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DarkSide_(hacking_group)

3) Cyber Ninjas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Arizona#Audit_by_Arizona_Senate_Republicans
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Art N.
hreget
2021-05-28 20:13:39 UTC
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Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
<<I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach? My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DarkSide_(hacking_group)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Arizona#Audit_by_Arizona_Senate_Republicans
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Art N.
It would be helpful if there was a 'report abuse' button on the page. Through searching I did find some instructions for reporting abuse to google, I was unable to follow these instructions but was able to send a message via the feedback. I sincerely apologise to those users who value and do not abuse this group if, as a consequence of my seeking to remove defamatory content, Google decide to close the group and even delete its archive. Peter
Donald Cameron
2021-05-28 20:14:27 UTC
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On Fri, 28 May 2021 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by hreget
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
Short of filing a legal case for damages--which has been done--I would
recommend doing nothing.

This strategy denies satisfaction of the perp and prevents "flaming,"
leaving you with knowing that the attacks are fruitless.

As a general strategy, usefully in many contexts; a limited or neutral
response tends to defuse others from dumping on you; a psychology or
two out there is about directing by responses. Current example of
this propaganda tactic might be how news media manages to direct
negative focus by repeating what a select few others seem to say, as
in "cherry picking"?
hreget
2021-05-28 20:49:25 UTC
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Post by Donald Cameron
On Fri, 28 May 2021 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
Short of filing a legal case for damages--which has been done--I would
recommend doing nothing.
This strategy denies satisfaction of the perp and prevents "flaming,"
leaving you with knowing that the attacks are fruitless.
As a general strategy, usefully in many contexts; a limited or neutral
response tends to defuse others from dumping on you; a psychology or
two out there is about directing by responses. Current example of
this propaganda tactic might be how news media manages to direct
negative focus by repeating what a select few others seem to say, as
in "cherry picking"?
I'd be grateful to know who has filed a case against whom?

I'm not interested in winning an argument with Art just in removing defamatory content which third parties can see. If Google are a responsible company they will remove this content.

This and the last post are simply for the benefit of other group members, such as myself, in case my approach to Google does lead to closure of the group. I rather think that if I worked for Google and it were my decision I'd decide to close it down, as bringing Google into disrepute. But let's see.
Donald Cameron
2021-05-29 04:19:44 UTC
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On Fri, 28 May 2021 13:49:25 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by hreget
Post by Donald Cameron
On Fri, 28 May 2021 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
Short of filing a legal case for damages--which has been done--I would
recommend doing nothing.
This strategy denies satisfaction of the perp and prevents "flaming,"
leaving you with knowing that the attacks are fruitless.
As a general strategy, usefully in many contexts; a limited or neutral
response tends to defuse others from dumping on you; a psychology or
two out there is about directing by responses. Current example of
this propaganda tactic might be how news media manages to direct
negative focus by repeating what a select few others seem to say, as
in "cherry picking"?
I'd be grateful to know who has filed a case against whom?
In early days of News Group, when some were sensitive about being
targeted repeatedly, I remember was a woman who hired a lawyer to
identify and castigate someone malicious.

Outcome was that the perpetrator was identified by a detective as an
office worker using company computer during breaks. He ended up
losing his job.
Post by hreget
I'm not interested in winning an argument with Art just in removing defamatory content which third parties can see. If Google are a responsible company they will remove this content.
This and the last post are simply for the benefit of other group members, such as myself, in case my approach to Google does lead to closure of the group. I rather think that if I worked for Google and it were my decision I'd decide to close it down, as bringing Google into disrepute. But let's see.
hreget
2021-05-28 21:30:58 UTC
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Post by Donald Cameron
On Fri, 28 May 2021 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
Short of filing a legal case for damages--which has been done--I would
recommend doing nothing.
This strategy denies satisfaction of the perp and prevents "flaming,"
leaving you with knowing that the attacks are fruitless.
As a general strategy, usefully in many contexts; a limited or neutral
response tends to defuse others from dumping on you; a psychology or
two out there is about directing by responses. Current example of
this propaganda tactic might be how news media manages to direct
negative focus by repeating what a select few others seem to say, as
in "cherry picking"?
I'd be grateful to know who has filed a case against whom?

I'm not interested in winning an argument with Art just in removing defamatory content which third parties can see. If Google are a responsible company they will remove this content.

This and the last post are simply for the benefit of other group members, such as myself, in case my approach to Google does lead to closure of the group. I rather think that if I worked for Google and it were my decision I'd decide to close it down, as bringing Google into disrepute. But let's see.

If I have trouble removing it I'd expect to lobby my Member of Parliament. I wouldn't be the only person on the receiving end and some would be suffering far far worse abuse and defamation than me. It would be quite wrong if cesspits of abuse are allowed to remain on the internet in the face of complaints.

Peter
hreget
2021-05-28 22:17:39 UTC
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Post by Donald Cameron
On Fri, 28 May 2021 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
Short of filing a legal case for damages--which has been done--I would
recommend doing nothing.
This strategy denies satisfaction of the perp and prevents "flaming,"
leaving you with knowing that the attacks are fruitless.
As a general strategy, usefully in many contexts; a limited or neutral
response tends to defuse others from dumping on you; a psychology or
two out there is about directing by responses. Current example of
this propaganda tactic might be how news media manages to direct
negative focus by repeating what a select few others seem to say, as
in "cherry picking"?
I'd be grateful to know who has filed a case against whom?

I'm not interested in winning an argument with Art just in removing defamatory content which third parties can see. If Google are a responsible company they will surely remove this content.

This and the last post are simply for the benefit of other group members, such as myself, in case my approach to Google does lead to closure of the group. But let's see...
hreget
2021-05-28 22:35:25 UTC
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Post by hreget
Post by Donald Cameron
On Fri, 28 May 2021 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
Short of filing a legal case for damages--which has been done--I would
recommend doing nothing.
This strategy denies satisfaction of the perp and prevents "flaming,"
leaving you with knowing that the attacks are fruitless.
As a general strategy, usefully in many contexts; a limited or neutral
response tends to defuse others from dumping on you; a psychology or
two out there is about directing by responses. Current example of
this propaganda tactic might be how news media manages to direct
negative focus by repeating what a select few others seem to say, as
in "cherry picking"?
I'd be grateful to know who has filed a case against whom?
I'm not interested in winning an argument with Art just in removing defamatory content which third parties can see. If Google are a responsible company they will surely remove this content.
This and the last post are simply for the benefit of other group members, such as myself, in case my approach to Google does lead to closure of the group. But let's see...
I have found the button for reporting individual posts as abusive, so I'll start work soon. There are quite a few to get through. Let's hope they make life simpler for me...
Arthur Neuendorffer
2021-05-29 01:45:35 UTC
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Mickey Mouse Leaks wrote:

<<I'm not interested in winning an argument with Art just in removing defamatory content which third parties can see. If I have trouble removing it I'd expect to lobby my Member of Parliament. I wouldn't be the only person on the receiving end and some would be suffering far far worse abuse and defamation than me. It would be quite wrong if cesspits of abuse are allowed to remain on the internet in the face of complaints.>>
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You really need to lobby the Privy Council
(not Parliament) about "cesspits of abuse."
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Mickey Mouse Leaks wrote:

<<I have found the button for reporting individual posts as abusive, so I'll start work soon. There are quite a few to get through. Let's hope they make life simpler for me...>>
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I hope you like Diet Coke.
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https://www.foodandwine.com/news/biden-trump-diet-coke-button-oval-office-desk
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President Biden Seems to Have Removed the Famed
'Diet Coke Button' from the Oval Office Desk

By Jelisa Castrodale January 22, 2021

<<By the time President Joe Biden took a seat behind the Resolute Desk and started his first day of work, the Oval Office had already been swiftly redecorated for him. His family pictures were framed and neatly arranged in front of a bust of Latino-American labor leader and civil rights activist Cesar Chavez. A portrait of Benjamin Franklin replaced the painting of Andrew Jackson that had been on the wall for the past four years. And the previous president's red "Diet Coke button" had been removed from the desk, too.

On Thursday morning, British journalist Tom Newton Dunn shared side-by-side pictures of Biden and former President Donald Trump sitting behind their desks, noting one significant difference. "When [journalist Tom Shipman] and I interviewed Donald Trump in 2019, we became fascinated by what the little red button did," he tweeted. "Eventually Trump pressed it, and a butler swiftly brought in a Diet Coke on a silver platter. It's gone now."

Dunn isn't the first to note the existence of the button. During an April 2017 Oval Office interview with the Associated Press, journalist Julie Pace also got to see it in action. "With the push of a red button placed on the Resolute Desk that presidents have used for decades, a White House butler soon arrived with a Coke for the president," she wrote.

Demetri Sevastopulo, a Washington, D.C. correspondent for the Financial Times also mentioned its presence on the top of Trump's desk. "'This isn't the nuclear button, is it?' I joke, pointing," he wrote. "'No, no, everyone thinks it is,' Trump says on cue, before leaning over and pressing it to order some Cokes. 'Everyone does get a little nervous when I press that button.'"

According to The Independent, a former White House communications aide said that Trump would use the button to jokingly make Oval Office visitors nervous. "Out of nowhere, he'd suddenly press the button," Chris Sims wrote in his book, Team of Vipers. "Not sure what to do, guests would look at one another with raised eyebrows. Moments later, a steward would enter the room carrying a glass filled with Diet Coke on a silver platter, and Trump would burst out laughing.">>
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Art N.
Donald Cameron
2021-05-29 04:33:15 UTC
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On Fri, 28 May 2021 15:35:25 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by hreget
Post by hreget
Post by Donald Cameron
On Fri, 28 May 2021 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT), hreget
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
Short of filing a legal case for damages--which has been done--I would
recommend doing nothing.
This strategy denies satisfaction of the perp and prevents "flaming,"
leaving you with knowing that the attacks are fruitless.
As a general strategy, usefully in many contexts; a limited or neutral
response tends to defuse others from dumping on you; a psychology or
two out there is about directing by responses. Current example of
this propaganda tactic might be how news media manages to direct
negative focus by repeating what a select few others seem to say, as
in "cherry picking"?
I'd be grateful to know who has filed a case against whom?
I'm not interested in winning an argument with Art just in removing defamatory content which third parties can see. If Google are a responsible company they will surely remove this content.
This and the last post are simply for the benefit of other group members, such as myself, in case my approach to Google does lead to closure of the group. But let's see...
I have found the button for reporting individual posts as abusive, so I'll start work soon. There are quite a few to get through. Let's hope they make life simpler for me...
Sounds like "kicking against the pricks," to me.

See such as
https://www.nosweatshakespeare.com/blog/shakespeare-and-the-king-james-bible/
for ruminations about such imagery.

(quote)
It would be impossible to get through a day without consciously or
unwittingly using the language of either Shakespeare or the King James
Bible to express everyday things. If we find ourselves kicking against
the pricks or killing two birds with one stone or having a bloody nose
or loving our neighbour or darkening someone’s doorway we are inside
the language of Shakespeare and the King James Bible.
(unquote)

My best guess is that Shakespeare would have been inspired by Ovid for
such as that.
Jason Evans
2021-05-29 10:32:21 UTC
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Post by hreget
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is
defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but
rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
Hi Peter,

1. This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroups. It is not a web forum. There
are no mods in this newsgroup and even if someone were to issue a delete
request, many people who run Usenet servers would ignore it.

2. You are using Google Groups which definitely does not honor delete
requests. If they did, there would be a lot less spam.

My suggestion is to get a proper Usenet account and client and block
anyone who is trolling or spamming you. Here are some tutorials to get
you started: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Tutorials
John W Kennedy
2021-05-30 01:48:32 UTC
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Post by hreget
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
This isn’t a website, and there is no way to remove postings. Network
News is aa technology older than the Internet, from a time when it was
expected that only ladies and gentlemen would be using it. It used to be
possible for the original poster to cancel an item, but the feature was
abused by hackers, and long ago removed.
Post by hreget
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
You have already been told that there is no "group owner".
Post by hreget
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
hreget
2021-05-30 16:32:54 UTC
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Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
This isn’t a website, and there is no way to remove postings. Network
News is aa technology older than the Internet, from a time when it was
expected that only ladies and gentlemen would be using it. It used to be
possible for the original poster to cancel an item, but the feature was
abused by hackers, and long ago removed.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
You have already been told that there is no "group owner".
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
There is a facility for reporting a message as abuse. Click on three dots at top right of message. Google say they take abuse seriously.
Whether or not they consider themselves owners of the group is not important, they accept responsibility for the content.
Unfortunately there is no facility for a complainant to explain why they might find a message abusive.

Peter
Arthur Neuendorffer
2021-05-30 20:32:59 UTC
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Mickey Mouse Leaks wrote:

<<There is a facility for reporting a message as abuse. Click on three dots at top right of message. Google say they take abuse seriously.
Whether or not they consider themselves owners of the group is not important, they accept responsibility for the content.
Unfortunately there is no facility for a complainant to explain why they might find a message abusive.>>
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You are no more capable of explaining why the message are abusive
than you ever were trying to explain why "Hermes" was important.

Like your idols: Trump & Putin
you wish to destroy anything that offends you personally.

You are the ultimate "Snowflake"!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)
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Art N.
John W Kennedy
2021-05-31 21:23:05 UTC
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Post by hreget
Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
This isn’t a website, and there is no way to remove postings. Network
News is aa technology older than the Internet, from a time when it was
expected that only ladies and gentlemen would be using it. It used to be
possible for the original poster to cancel an item, but the feature was
abused by hackers, and long ago removed.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
You have already been told that there is no "group owner".
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
There is a facility for reporting a message as abuse. Click on three dots at top right of message. Google say they take abuse seriously.
Whether or not they consider themselves owners of the group is not important, they accept responsibility for the content.
Unfortunately there is no facility for a complainant to explain why they might find a message abusive.
Google doesn’t own this. and Google doesn’t run this. Google merely
offers a front end by which they read it and offer it to you and the
rest of the world. Unfortunately for everyone’s sanity, Google also uses
that same front end to present groups that they /do/ own and run, which
utilize an entirely different technology.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
hreget
2021-06-02 12:09:10 UTC
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Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
This isn’t a website, and there is no way to remove postings. Network
News is aa technology older than the Internet, from a time when it was
expected that only ladies and gentlemen would be using it. It used to be
possible for the original poster to cancel an item, but the feature was
abused by hackers, and long ago removed.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
You have already been told that there is no "group owner".
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
There is a facility for reporting a message as abuse. Click on three dots at top right of message. Google say they take abuse seriously.
Whether or not they consider themselves owners of the group is not important, they accept responsibility for the content.
Unfortunately there is no facility for a complainant to explain why they might find a message abusive.
Google doesn’t own this. and Google doesn’t run this. Google merely
offers a front end by which they read it and offer it to you and the
rest of the world. Unfortunately for everyone’s sanity, Google also uses
that same front end to present groups that they /do/ own and run, which
utilize an entirely different technology.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Whether offering a front end gives them responsibility for what is read through the front end is a moot point.
John W Kennedy
2021-06-03 18:35:06 UTC
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Post by hreget
Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Post by John W Kennedy
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
I'd like to request removal of content on this site which I consider is defamatory of me. Can anyone tell me whom I should approach?
This isn’t a website, and there is no way to remove postings. Network
News is aa technology older than the Internet, from a time when it was
expected that only ladies and gentlemen would be using it. It used to be
possible for the original poster to cancel an item, but the feature was
abused by hackers, and long ago removed.
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
My request is not the same as requesting google to remove links, but rather requesting the group owner to remove certain posts
You have already been told that there is no "group owner".
Post by Arthur Neuendorffer
Thanks for any help.
Peter Nockolds
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
There is a facility for reporting a message as abuse. Click on three dots at top right of message. Google say they take abuse seriously.
Whether or not they consider themselves owners of the group is not important, they accept responsibility for the content.
Unfortunately there is no facility for a complainant to explain why they might find a message abusive.
Google doesn’t own this. and Google doesn’t run this. Google merely
offers a front end by which they read it and offer it to you and the
rest of the world. Unfortunately for everyone’s sanity, Google also uses
that same front end to present groups that they /do/ own and run, which
utilize an entirely different technology.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Whether offering a front end gives them responsibility for what is read through the front end is a moot point.
And now you have degenerated into literal nonsense.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Arthur Neuendorffer
2021-06-04 03:39:35 UTC
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Peter Nockolds wrote:

<<Whether offering a front end gives them responsibility
for what is read through the front end is a moot point.
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john Kennedy wrote:

<<And now you have degenerated into literal nonsense.>>
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How do I request the removal of Nockolds's pathetic
requests for the removal of content from this site.
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Art N.

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