Could schools stop teaching Shakespeare?

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

[Margaret]

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

This woman is a complete self-publicist, recently called out on social media over her self-aggrandising documentary for painting a fake "inspiring" Winston Churchill quote on her school wall and then, instead of apologising, she said it was "in the spirit" of the quote - even though it said "no defeat is final" when Churchill in his "Finest Hour" speech said defeat would be a plunge into "the abyss" (hence the fighting on the beaches etc...)

The idea that popular culture is the enemy to Shakespeare is nonsense - he is and always was popular culture - so we should use whatever is current to open him up to a new audience.

This is the super-bright Akala's TED talk, explaining what his school workshops have discovered about how kids see Shakespeare, hip-hop and the links between all spoken culture. He worked a lot with the late Cis Berry, voice coach and the RSC and they loved each other. Cis was always adamant that you need to speak Shakespeare, not just read it on the page, to know it fully.

[Margaret]

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

Another thing this stupid woman said is that there are fewer women in Physics because girls naturally don't like "hard maths" rather than addressing how maths is taught in a combative, competitive way ("hands up who knows the answer" rather than a collaborative, helpful, non-ego-based way). Speaking as someone with 2 A levels in "hard maths" I watched and saw how girls particularly - but boys too - were made terrified of the subject by the conventional way of teaching.

[bookburn]

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.

In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.

My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

[gggg gggg]

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

Don't we live in times when comic books are worth more than Shakespeare?:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/jun/09/shakespeare-first-folio-copy-estimated-to-fetch-25m-in-new-york-auction

www.cgccomics.com/news/article/9418/Amazing-Fantasy-breaks-record/

[Margaret]

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Post by bookburn

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/jun/09/shakespeare-first-folio-copy-estimated-to-fetch-25m-in-new-york-auction
www.cgccomics.com/news/article/9418/Amazing-Fantasy-breaks-record/

Shakespeare is not of an age but for all time. The "strictest headmistress" is a grifter with her own agenda, building her profile as a "public figure" much beloved of the Right who revel in saying "I'm not racist but everyone's too woke these days and she agrees with me and she's colour.. , half-..., tinged..., well she's got a funny name, so there."

[marc hanson]

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Post by bookburn

Post by gggg gggg
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/jun/09/shakespeare-first-folio-copy-estimated-to-fetch-25m-in-new-york-auction
www.cgccomics.com/news/article/9418/Amazing-Fantasy-breaks-record/

Shakespeare is not of an age but for all time. The "strictest headmistress" is a grifter with her own agenda, building her profile as a "public figure" much beloved of the Right who revel in saying "I'm not racist but everyone's too woke these days and she agrees with me and she's colour.. , half-..., tinged..., well she's got a funny name, so there."

Shakespeare wasn't offered at my high school, north Torrance, California, back in the last century,
and optional in college

i could see it being available only in college

marc

[gggg gggg]

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Post by bookburn

Post by gggg gggg
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/jun/09/shakespeare-first-folio-copy-estimated-to-fetch-25m-in-new-york-auction
www.cgccomics.com/news/article/9418/Amazing-Fantasy-breaks-record/

Shakespeare is not of an age but for all time. The "strictest headmistress" is a grifter with her own agenda, building her profile as a "public figure" much beloved of the Right who revel in saying "I'm not racist but everyone's too woke these days and she agrees with me and she's colour.. , half-..., tinged..., well she's got a funny name, so there."

Shakespeare wasn't offered at my high school, north Torrance, California, back in the last century,
and optional in college
i could see it being available only in college
marc

In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.

Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English

If you can believe it, that series includes "Heart of Darkness" probably because young readers nowadays find the 1899 text just too difficult to fathom:

https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear

[John W Kennedy]

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Post by bookburn

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/jun/09/shakespeare-first-folio-copy-estimated-to-fetch-25m-in-new-york-auction
www.cgccomics.com/news/article/9418/Amazing-Fantasy-breaks-record/

Ultra-valuable comic books are a lot more rare than First Folios, and
Shakespeare's plays have a LOT more reprints.

[John W Kennedy]

Post by bookburn

Post by gggg gggg
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

There is no sane reason to believe that Othello is a Moslem, and very
good reason to believe that he is not.

As to the main point, I will not say that parallel-text editions are of
no pedagogical use, but is very much the fact that Shakespeare
“translated” is not Shakespeare. Has everyone forgotten that virtually
all of his plays are adaptations? Shakespeare reduced to prose,
presented on paper instead of on stage, and converted into present-day
English is Shakespeare erased.

[gggg gggg]

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Post by bookburn

Post by gggg gggg
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

There is no sane reason to believe that Othello is a Moslem, and very
good reason to believe that he is not.
As to the main point, I will not say that parallel-text editions are of
no pedagogical use, but is very much the fact that Shakespeare
“translated” is not Shakespeare. Has everyone forgotten that virtually
all of his plays are adaptations? Shakespeare reduced to prose,
presented on paper instead of on stage, and converted into present-day
English is Shakespeare erased.
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare/c/J8Z8ePO_EC0/m/JuRzzEJfBQAJ

[bookburn]

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Post by gggg gggg
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

There is no sane reason to believe that Othello is a Moslem, and very
good reason to believe that he is not.
As to the main point, I will not say that parallel-text editions are of
no pedagogical use, but is very much the fact that Shakespeare
“translated” is not Shakespeare. Has everyone forgotten that virtually
all of his plays are adaptations? Shakespeare reduced to prose,
presented on paper instead of on stage, and converted into present-day
English is Shakespeare erased.
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/10/20/a-portrait-of-othello-as-a-black-muslim-tragic-hero#:~:text=Othello%20emerged%20in%20contrast%20as,been%20Shakespeare's%20inspiration%20for%20Othello.

[John W Kennedy]

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Post by gggg gggg
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/22/uks-strictest-headmistress-fears-schools-will-stop-teaching-shakespeare

My guess is that Shakespeare will be filtered through the British curriculum requirements with spins like those in the article, using discriminating criteria describing racism, sexism, women and children actors, pronouns, and other -isms in the social purview.
In the U.S., there has been resistance to teaching Shakespeare due to its difficult language, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation and grammar barriers, even with parallel texts, so the canon is reduced to a few taught in like the 10th and 12th grades, especially Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, and selections from the sonnets and poems, along with other renowned bits. Othello, with its black Moor and Muslim central character, might get preference. Lots of associations in Shakespeare to such aspects as bastards and benefactors that could be used with increased interest, along with discussions about authorship attribution and identity questions. Not sure how long the current interest in de Vere as the real Shakespeare will last.
My guess is that teaching Shakespeare in the States will continue in high schools and colleges, but using Web aides as crutches. He does have universal properties, although open to international interpretations, IMO. For Brits, no doubt the use of Shakespeare in identifying such cultural norms as behaviors of nobles, defense of monarchy, and epic icons are important.

There is no sane reason to believe that Othello is a Moslem, and very
good reason to believe that he is not.
As to the main point, I will not say that parallel-text editions are of
no pedagogical use, but is very much the fact that Shakespeare
“translated” is not Shakespeare. Has everyone forgotten that virtually
all of his plays are adaptations? Shakespeare reduced to prose,
presented on paper instead of on stage, and converted into present-day
English is Shakespeare erased.
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/10/20/a-portrait-of-othello-as-a-black-muslim-tragic-hero#:~:text=Othello%20emerged%20in%20contrast%20as,been%20Shakespeare's%20inspiration%20for%20Othello.

Astonishing ignorance. "There were Muslims in pagan Rome."

Amazing illogic. "Some B are A, therefore all A are B."

“Ergo, the whole thing is ridiculous and revolting.” (Lewis Carroll)