Arthur Neuendorffer
2021-05-20 14:41:33 UTC
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I'm a physicist. The extent of my poetry or prose would
be on the order of: "THE SPANISH SHIPS HAVE SAILED."
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https://tinyurl.com/4x9956pu
_Secrets of the Dedication to Shakespeare’s Sonnets_
Originally published in THE OXFORDIAN, Volume 2, 1999
.
. . . John M. Rollett
.
But what I was really hoping to find was examples of Elizabethan ciphers. This took quite a long time, basically because there aren’t any. None have survived, although several people at the time did describe various useful techniques which might have been used, for all we know. (Strictly speaking, one should class acrostics as very simple ciphers. The Elizabethans were certainly fond of them, and quite a lot do survive, especially in poetry.) The only example of a cipher I was able to find was in a biography of John Dee, the Elizabethan savant and astrologer (he was instructed by Robert Dudley to choose an auspicious day for the Queen’s Coronation, and many people would agree that he did a good job). Here (left) is the example his biographer gave to illustrate a method described by John Dee. This reads, going down and up the columns,
“The Spanish ships have sailed.” The message would be sent off,
reading across, as T H S S A H S H E I E I I V L S N P A E P A S H D.
To someone intercepting it, it would obviously proclaim itself as a coded message and to decode it, all one has to do is to count the number of letters––25––and write it out again in a 5 by 5 square. It is amusing to learn that Dee regarded this as “a childish cryptogram such as eny man of knowledge shud be able to resolve.”
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. . <= 5 =>
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. T H S S {A}
. H S H E {I}
. E I I V {L}
. S N P A {E}
. P A S H {D}
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THE SPANISH SHIPS HAVE SAILED
{DELIA} = chaste Artemis = Queen Elizabeth.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delia
<<{DELIA} is a feminine given name, either taken from an epithet
of the Greek *moon goddess* Artemis or else representing a
short form of A{DELIA}, Be{DELIA}, Cor{DELIA} or O{DELIA}.>>
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David Roper suggests that: <H{I}NT>s to the skip code #
. . . might just be staring one in the face:
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David Roper: "{SO TEST} Him, *I UOW* He Is Edward De Uere"
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_______________ . . <= 34 =>
. T E R. R. A. T E .. [G] .I T,PO. PULUSMÆRE ______... TO. LYMPUSHABE. T
.........................................................................
. S T A. Y. P. A S .. [S] .E N GE. RWHYGOEST _ _ _ _ . TH. OVBYSOFAST. R
. E A D. I. F. T . (H)[O] .V C AN. STWHOM _ [E] .[N] .VIO. VSDEATHHAT. H
.*P L A <S> T* W . (I){T} <H{I}NT> HISMON _ [U] (M)[E] NT *SHAKSPEARE* W
. I T H <W> H. O . (M){E} .Q{U}IC. KNATVR _ [E D] (I)[D]E *WHOSENAMED* O
. T H D <E> C. K Y... {S} .T{O}MB. EFARMO _ [R E] t (H) E. NCOSTSIEHA. L
. L Y T <H> E. H A-.. {T} .H{W}RI. TTLEAV _ [E]S. L. I. V. INGARTBVTP. A
. G E T. O. S. E R.... V. .E H IS. WITT
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[EUERE][DE] 34
{SO TEST}.. 34
{I UOW}.... 34
<HEWS>.... -34
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(I wrote that piece for your benefit knowing your interest in numerology,)
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"The Names of the *26* Principall Actors in all these Playes"
contains 2 FF *TELLESTICKS* found by Jones Harris & John Rollett:
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.[William Shakespeare]
. Richard B(ū)rba(D)ge.
. John Hemmings.
. Augusti(ñ)e Phillip [S].
. William Kemp . . . .[T].
. Thom(ā)s Poop . . . (e).
. George Brya . . . . (N).
. Henry C(O)n[D]el . .[L].
. W(I)l(L)iam S(L) .(Y|E).
.{R}ichard Cowl . . . [Y].
. John Low(I)ne.
. Samuell Crosse.
. A(L|E]xander Co(O)k{E}.
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*STONE*, n. [OE. ston, *STAN*; akin to Old Saxon *STEN*,
... G. stein, Sw. *STEN*, Gr. a pebble.]
..........................................................
Prob. of 'St(e)nley' or 'St(a)nley' ~ 1 in 2,500,000
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Prob. (at least) 6 of the 7[ST(e)NLEY] guys were Lord *STRANGE's*
Men while only (at most) 3 of the other 19 PA's were ~ 1 in 450
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. Samuel Gilburn{E}.
.[R]obert Armi(N).
. Will(I)am Ostl(E)r.
.(N)athan Field.
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. John Underwoo . . . [D].
.{N}icholas T(O)ole . {Y}.
. William Eccl[E]ston {E}.
. Joseph Taylo . . . .{R}.
. Robert Be[N]fiel . .{D}.
. Robe(R)t Gough . . .{E}.
. Richar{D} Robinso . {N}.
. John Shancke.
. John Rice.
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Philip Sidney BFF *NED DYER* also shows up as an ELS:
.........................................................
. . . . . . . <= *26* =>
.
. [W i l l i a m S h a k e s p e a r e] R i c .h. a r d B
. (U) r b a(D)g e.J o h n H e m m i n g s.A u .g. u s t i
. (N) e P h i l l i p[S]W i l l i a m K e m p [T] T h o m
. (A) s P o o p(e)G e o r g e B r y a(N)H e n .r. y C o n
. [D] e l l.W i l(L)i a m S l(Y|E|R}i c h a r .d. C o w l
. [Y] J o h n L o w(I)n e.S a m u e l l C r o .s. s e.A l
. [E] x a n d e r C o(O)k{E}S a m u e l G i l .b. u r n E
. [R] o b e r t A r m i(N)W i l l i a m O s t .l. E r N a
. .t. h a n F i e l d.J o h n U n d e r w o o [D] N i c h
. .o. l a s T o o l e{Y}W i l l i a m E c c l [E] s t o n
. .e. J o s e p h T a y l o r.R o b e r t B e [N] f i e l
. .d.
(UNA) 26 : personification of "Truth"
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[DYER] 26
[NED] -26
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Peter Nockolds wrote:
<<If you do want posterity to note these things take your best examples, present them in an easy to read form, and give them a context. They will just get lost otherwise.>>
............................................................
My *main* goal is to:
. . amuse myself with an interesting puzzle!
My work has already inspired Alan Green & Alexander Waugh
in their studies to locate buried Masonic Treasures:
---------------------------------------------------
There are at least 2 anti-Stratfordian cypher-mongers
who are attempting to make it *an exact science* by
claiming *a priori* where written evidence might lie:
1) Alan Green in the Stratford altar:
.
2) Alexander Waugh in Westminster Abbey "St. Blaise" altar:
.
.
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I much prefer having competent anti-Stratfordian
cypher-monger competition (than incompetent followers).
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Peter Nockolds wrote:
<<BTW I had a go at authorial ELSs in Virgil and Ovid and even got an interested reply from one academic. It's quite common amongst classics scholars to look for acrostics and telestics, even if they speak somewhat apologetically of 'men in white coats'. I think the way Latin was written without spaces to some extent might encourage ELSs>>
Anything that distracts you from promoting your disgusting politics has to be good.
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Art N.
<<I assume you post your ELSs here as a record for posterity.>>
It is my *searchable* card file
Its supposed to be a discussion group, not your personal file.
You've annoyed the hell out of a lot of people.
. . . . Good!You've annoyed the hell out of a lot of people.
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... that also hopefully catches someones attention.
It also serves as a dateable record for posterity.
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<<Obviously it's possible to write using ELSs
but I think difficult to write good poetry or prose
incorporating and ELS, have you tried?>>
It also serves as a dateable record for posterity.
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<<Obviously it's possible to write using ELSs
but I think difficult to write good poetry or prose
incorporating and ELS, have you tried?>>
be on the order of: "THE SPANISH SHIPS HAVE SAILED."
------------------------------------------------------------------
https://tinyurl.com/4x9956pu
_Secrets of the Dedication to Shakespeare’s Sonnets_
Originally published in THE OXFORDIAN, Volume 2, 1999
.
. . . John M. Rollett
.
But what I was really hoping to find was examples of Elizabethan ciphers. This took quite a long time, basically because there aren’t any. None have survived, although several people at the time did describe various useful techniques which might have been used, for all we know. (Strictly speaking, one should class acrostics as very simple ciphers. The Elizabethans were certainly fond of them, and quite a lot do survive, especially in poetry.) The only example of a cipher I was able to find was in a biography of John Dee, the Elizabethan savant and astrologer (he was instructed by Robert Dudley to choose an auspicious day for the Queen’s Coronation, and many people would agree that he did a good job). Here (left) is the example his biographer gave to illustrate a method described by John Dee. This reads, going down and up the columns,
“The Spanish ships have sailed.” The message would be sent off,
reading across, as T H S S A H S H E I E I I V L S N P A E P A S H D.
To someone intercepting it, it would obviously proclaim itself as a coded message and to decode it, all one has to do is to count the number of letters––25––and write it out again in a 5 by 5 square. It is amusing to learn that Dee regarded this as “a childish cryptogram such as eny man of knowledge shud be able to resolve.”
..................
. . <= 5 =>
.
. T H S S {A}
. H S H E {I}
. E I I V {L}
. S N P A {E}
. P A S H {D}
..............................
THE SPANISH SHIPS HAVE SAILED
{DELIA} = chaste Artemis = Queen Elizabeth.
-------------------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delia
<<{DELIA} is a feminine given name, either taken from an epithet
of the Greek *moon goddess* Artemis or else representing a
short form of A{DELIA}, Be{DELIA}, Cor{DELIA} or O{DELIA}.>>
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There are numerous examples of Jacobians writing *acrostic*
poetry; why would ELS poetry or prose be any harder?
1) For the same reason Jacobians wrote *acrostic* poetry.
2) As a hidden record for posterity.
poetry; why would ELS poetry or prose be any harder?
1) For the same reason Jacobians wrote *acrostic* poetry.
2) As a hidden record for posterity.
Acrostics are easy to spot, you don't need to wait for posterity.
That's why #2) was *included* with #1).-------------------------------------------------
ELSs is would need to have the key handed down orally.
I accept that as a possibility.
.......................................................I accept that as a possibility.
David Roper suggests that: <H{I}NT>s to the skip code #
. . . might just be staring one in the face:
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David Roper: "{SO TEST} Him, *I UOW* He Is Edward De Uere"
.............................................................
_______________ . . <= 34 =>
. T E R. R. A. T E .. [G] .I T,PO. PULUSMÆRE ______... TO. LYMPUSHABE. T
.........................................................................
. S T A. Y. P. A S .. [S] .E N GE. RWHYGOEST _ _ _ _ . TH. OVBYSOFAST. R
. E A D. I. F. T . (H)[O] .V C AN. STWHOM _ [E] .[N] .VIO. VSDEATHHAT. H
.*P L A <S> T* W . (I){T} <H{I}NT> HISMON _ [U] (M)[E] NT *SHAKSPEARE* W
. I T H <W> H. O . (M){E} .Q{U}IC. KNATVR _ [E D] (I)[D]E *WHOSENAMED* O
. T H D <E> C. K Y... {S} .T{O}MB. EFARMO _ [R E] t (H) E. NCOSTSIEHA. L
. L Y T <H> E. H A-.. {T} .H{W}RI. TTLEAV _ [E]S. L. I. V. INGARTBVTP. A
. G E T. O. S. E R.... V. .E H IS. WITT
.......................................................
[EUERE][DE] 34
{SO TEST}.. 34
{I UOW}.... 34
<HEWS>.... -34
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*125* is the gematric number, being the sum of the English
characters for PHILIP SIDNEI = [(15+8+9+11+9+15)+(18+9+4+13+5+9)]
characters for PHILIP SIDNEI = [(15+8+9+11+9+15)+(18+9+4+13+5+9)]
English or Latin? Do you have any explicit evidence for
the use of English gematria. Was the alphabet fixed?
. . 24 letter alphabet.the use of English gematria. Was the alphabet fixed?
(I wrote that piece for your benefit knowing your interest in numerology,)
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. . . . . Sonnet *125*
. WEr't ought to me I "bore the canopy",
. With my extern the outward honoring,
. Or layd great bases {For} eternity,
. Which proues more [S]hort then wast or ruining?
. Haue [I] not seene dwellers on forme an[D] fauor
. Lose all,and more by payi[N]g too much rent
. For compound sw[E]et;Forgoing simple sauor,
. Pitt[I]full thriuors in their gazing spent.
. Noe,let me be obsequious in thy heart,
. And take thou my oblacion,poore but free,
. Which is not mixt with seconds,knows no art,
. But mutuall render onely me for thee.
. Hence,thou subbornd Informer, a trew soule
. When most impeacht,stands least in thy controule.
.......................................................
. . . . . <= *26* =>
.
. {F o r} e t e r n i t y,W h i c h p r o u e s m o r e
. [S] h o r t t h e n w a s t o r r u i n i n g?H a u e
. [I] n o t s e e n e d w e l l e r s o n f o r m e a n
. [D] f a u o r L o s e a l l,a n d m o r e b y p a y i
. [N] g t o o m u c h r e n t F o r c o m p o u n d s w
. [E] e t;F o r g o i n g s i m p l e s a u o r,P i t t
. [I] f u l l t h r i u o r s i n t h e i r g a z i n g
.
{For}[SIDNEI] *26* : starting in 3rd line.
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. . . . . Sonnet 47
.
. BEtwixt mine eye and heart a league is tooke,
. And each doth good turnes now vnto the other,
. When that mine eye is famisht {For} a looke,
. Or heart in loue with [S]ighes himselfe doth smother;
. W[I]th my loues picture then my eye [D]oth feast,
. An other tim[E] mine eye is my hearts guest,
. And [I]n his thoughts of loue doth share a part.
. So either by thy picture or my loue,
. Thy seife away,are present still with me,
. For thou nor farther then my thoughts canst moue,
. And I am still with them,and they with thee.
. Or if they sleepe, thy picture in my sight
. Awakes my heart,to hearts and eyes delight.
.......................................................
. . . . . <= *26* =>
.
. {F o r} a l o o k e,O r h e a r t i n l o u e w i t h
. [S] i g h e s h i m s e l f e d o t h s m o t h e r;W
. [I] t h m y l o u e s p i c t u r e t h e n m y e y e
. [D] o t h f e a s t,A n d t o t h e p a i n t e d b a
. [N] q u e t b i d s m y h e a r t:A n o t h e r t i m
. [E] m i n e e y e i s m y h e a r t s g u e s t,A n d
. [I] n h i s t h o u g h t s
.
{For}[SIDNEI] *26* : starting in 3rd line.
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Prob. of 2{For}[SIDNEI]s same skip ~ 1 in 34,000,000
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Shortest {For}[SIDNEI] skip in KJV : 869
Shortest {For}[SIDNEI] skip in Moby Dick : 2818
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. . . . . . . . *26* days
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Sidney#Injury_and_death
<<[Sir Philip Sidney (30 November 1554 - 17 October 1586)]
joined Sir John Norris in the Battle of Zutphen, fighting for
the Protestant cause against the Spanish. During the battle,
he was shot in the thigh & died of gangrene *26* days later.>>
. . . . . Sonnet *125*
. WEr't ought to me I "bore the canopy",
. With my extern the outward honoring,
. Or layd great bases {For} eternity,
. Which proues more [S]hort then wast or ruining?
. Haue [I] not seene dwellers on forme an[D] fauor
. Lose all,and more by payi[N]g too much rent
. For compound sw[E]et;Forgoing simple sauor,
. Pitt[I]full thriuors in their gazing spent.
. Noe,let me be obsequious in thy heart,
. And take thou my oblacion,poore but free,
. Which is not mixt with seconds,knows no art,
. But mutuall render onely me for thee.
. Hence,thou subbornd Informer, a trew soule
. When most impeacht,stands least in thy controule.
.......................................................
. . . . . <= *26* =>
.
. {F o r} e t e r n i t y,W h i c h p r o u e s m o r e
. [S] h o r t t h e n w a s t o r r u i n i n g?H a u e
. [I] n o t s e e n e d w e l l e r s o n f o r m e a n
. [D] f a u o r L o s e a l l,a n d m o r e b y p a y i
. [N] g t o o m u c h r e n t F o r c o m p o u n d s w
. [E] e t;F o r g o i n g s i m p l e s a u o r,P i t t
. [I] f u l l t h r i u o r s i n t h e i r g a z i n g
.
{For}[SIDNEI] *26* : starting in 3rd line.
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. . . . . Sonnet 47
.
. BEtwixt mine eye and heart a league is tooke,
. And each doth good turnes now vnto the other,
. When that mine eye is famisht {For} a looke,
. Or heart in loue with [S]ighes himselfe doth smother;
. W[I]th my loues picture then my eye [D]oth feast,
. An other tim[E] mine eye is my hearts guest,
. And [I]n his thoughts of loue doth share a part.
. So either by thy picture or my loue,
. Thy seife away,are present still with me,
. For thou nor farther then my thoughts canst moue,
. And I am still with them,and they with thee.
. Or if they sleepe, thy picture in my sight
. Awakes my heart,to hearts and eyes delight.
.......................................................
. . . . . <= *26* =>
.
. {F o r} a l o o k e,O r h e a r t i n l o u e w i t h
. [S] i g h e s h i m s e l f e d o t h s m o t h e r;W
. [I] t h m y l o u e s p i c t u r e t h e n m y e y e
. [D] o t h f e a s t,A n d t o t h e p a i n t e d b a
. [N] q u e t b i d s m y h e a r t:A n o t h e r t i m
. [E] m i n e e y e i s m y h e a r t s g u e s t,A n d
. [I] n h i s t h o u g h t s
.
{For}[SIDNEI] *26* : starting in 3rd line.
.......................................................
Prob. of 2{For}[SIDNEI]s same skip ~ 1 in 34,000,000
.................................................
Shortest {For}[SIDNEI] skip in KJV : 869
Shortest {For}[SIDNEI] skip in Moby Dick : 2818
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. . . . . . . . *26* days
.......................................................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Sidney#Injury_and_death
<<[Sir Philip Sidney (30 November 1554 - 17 October 1586)]
joined Sir John Norris in the Battle of Zutphen, fighting for
the Protestant cause against the Spanish. During the battle,
he was shot in the thigh & died of gangrene *26* days later.>>
Two 26 SIDNEI ELS's You have repeatability
and two control samples. Sounds promising.
Philip Sidney started to versify the Psalms.
Sister Mary finished the job. I just bought a copy.
26 = the name of God in Hebrew.
125 - 47 = 3 x 26.
---------------------------------------------------------and two control samples. Sounds promising.
Philip Sidney started to versify the Psalms.
Sister Mary finished the job. I just bought a copy.
26 = the name of God in Hebrew.
125 - 47 = 3 x 26.
"The Names of the *26* Principall Actors in all these Playes"
contains 2 FF *TELLESTICKS* found by Jones Harris & John Rollett:
.........................................................
.[William Shakespeare]
. Richard B(ū)rba(D)ge.
. John Hemmings.
. Augusti(ñ)e Phillip [S].
. William Kemp . . . .[T].
. Thom(ā)s Poop . . . (e).
. George Brya . . . . (N).
. Henry C(O)n[D]el . .[L].
. W(I)l(L)iam S(L) .(Y|E).
.{R}ichard Cowl . . . [Y].
. John Low(I)ne.
. Samuell Crosse.
. A(L|E]xander Co(O)k{E}.
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*STONE*, n. [OE. ston, *STAN*; akin to Old Saxon *STEN*,
... G. stein, Sw. *STEN*, Gr. a pebble.]
..........................................................
Prob. of 'St(e)nley' or 'St(a)nley' ~ 1 in 2,500,000
.................................................................
Prob. (at least) 6 of the 7[ST(e)NLEY] guys were Lord *STRANGE's*
Men while only (at most) 3 of the other 19 PA's were ~ 1 in 450
----------------------------------------------------------
. Samuel Gilburn{E}.
.[R]obert Armi(N).
. Will(I)am Ostl(E)r.
.(N)athan Field.
.........................
. John Underwoo . . . [D].
.{N}icholas T(O)ole . {Y}.
. William Eccl[E]ston {E}.
. Joseph Taylo . . . .{R}.
. Robert Be[N]fiel . .{D}.
. Robe(R)t Gough . . .{E}.
. Richar{D} Robinso . {N}.
. John Shancke.
. John Rice.
----------------------------------------------------------
Philip Sidney BFF *NED DYER* also shows up as an ELS:
.........................................................
. . . . . . . <= *26* =>
.
. [W i l l i a m S h a k e s p e a r e] R i c .h. a r d B
. (U) r b a(D)g e.J o h n H e m m i n g s.A u .g. u s t i
. (N) e P h i l l i p[S]W i l l i a m K e m p [T] T h o m
. (A) s P o o p(e)G e o r g e B r y a(N)H e n .r. y C o n
. [D] e l l.W i l(L)i a m S l(Y|E|R}i c h a r .d. C o w l
. [Y] J o h n L o w(I)n e.S a m u e l l C r o .s. s e.A l
. [E] x a n d e r C o(O)k{E}S a m u e l G i l .b. u r n E
. [R] o b e r t A r m i(N)W i l l i a m O s t .l. E r N a
. .t. h a n F i e l d.J o h n U n d e r w o o [D] N i c h
. .o. l a s T o o l e{Y}W i l l i a m E c c l [E] s t o n
. .e. J o s e p h T a y l o r.R o b e r t B e [N] f i e l
. .d.
(UNA) 26 : personification of "Truth"
........................
[DYER] 26
[NED] -26
------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Nockolds wrote:
<<If you do want posterity to note these things take your best examples, present them in an easy to read form, and give them a context. They will just get lost otherwise.>>
............................................................
My *main* goal is to:
. . amuse myself with an interesting puzzle!
My work has already inspired Alan Green & Alexander Waugh
in their studies to locate buried Masonic Treasures:
---------------------------------------------------
There are at least 2 anti-Stratfordian cypher-mongers
who are attempting to make it *an exact science* by
claiming *a priori* where written evidence might lie:
1) Alan Green in the Stratford altar:
.
2) Alexander Waugh in Westminster Abbey "St. Blaise" altar:
.
.
---------------------------------------------------
I much prefer having competent anti-Stratfordian
cypher-monger competition (than incompetent followers).
------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Nockolds wrote:
<<BTW I had a go at authorial ELSs in Virgil and Ovid and even got an interested reply from one academic. It's quite common amongst classics scholars to look for acrostics and telestics, even if they speak somewhat apologetically of 'men in white coats'. I think the way Latin was written without spaces to some extent might encourage ELSs>>
Anything that distracts you from promoting your disgusting politics has to be good.
------------------------------------------
Art N.